18th club, whose next?

[Centy Coast]

I agree.

A strong professional rugby league competition in PNG is better than an NRL team in Port Moresby. Having multiple professional teams scattered throughout the country will allow more people to attend high quality rugby league games on a regular basis.

I'd love to see the QRL, NSWRL and PNGRFL work together to create a professional competition that amalgamates the Queensland Cup and NSW Cup with the PNG competition. The challenge is finding the capital needed to make it viable. This is where a company like Ch10/Paramount could take a punt and throw $30m a year towards a 12 team competiton. The clubs can be given a grant of $2.5m and a salary cap of $2m.

The competition could have the Brisbane Tigers, Ipswich Jets, Central Coast Bears, Newtown Jets, Central Queensland Capras, Sunshine Coast Falcons, Northern Pride, Mackay Cutters and four PNG teams.

The PNG Hunters struggle as it is, 4 PNG teams lol, you guys really over estimate the quality and quantity of players in PNG

 

[Centy Coast]

People are pointing out that it would be difficult to do because it is an impoverished nation with a high crime rate. Those things (high crime rate and poverty) are facts and to state that people who are making those points are racially motivated is a pretty disgusting accusation to make.

It’s facts, totally agree with you nothing to do with being rascist, geez some people are made like fibro walls.

 

[Matiunz]

An nrl team will support junior pathways

top down is the only way to go regarding expansion

nz couldn’t sustain a league to rival the nrl what hope has png got ?
Being part of the best rugby league comp on earth will drive the png game forward as it has for the wahs and nz

Many argue the game in NZ has suffered from the inclusion of the Warriors. Prior to the Warriors Auckland in particular had extremely strong Regional rep teams who would be very competitive against touring teams and would bag the odd scalp. The kiwis had players straight from the local comps and would compete with the Kangaroos and Lions. NSWRL teams would have competitive preseason games etc.
Sure the increased professionalism and advances in sports science likely would have seen nz fall away but the grass roots game around the country and has withered from what it once was. It’s been a couple of decades since a player from the local 2nd tier comp has been able to make the leap to NRL where’s it used to be achievable prior to the Warriors and even the first few years of the Warriors existence had this happen.
It the problem where one country has the dominant comp in a sport the players tend to go to that country earlier and earlier and are lost to raising the level of the local comps.

 

[Wb1234]

Many argue the game in NZ has suffered from the inclusion of the Warriors. Prior to the Warriors Auckland in particular had extremely strong Regional rep teams who would be very competitive against touring teams and would bag the odd scalp. The kiwis had players straight from the local comps and would compete with the Kangaroos and Lions. NSWRL teams would have competitive preseason games etc.
Sure the increased professionalism and advances in sports science likely would have seen nz fall away but the grass roots game around the country and has withered from what it once was. It’s been a couple of decades since a player from the local 2nd tier comp has been able to make the leap to NRL where’s it used to be achievable prior to the Warriors and even the first few years of the Warriors existence had this happen.
It the problem where one country has the dominant comp in a sport the players tend to go to that country earlier and earlier and are lost to raising the level of the local comps.

Performances of fhe kiwis against Australia would suggest its strengthened the game

plus the player base has expanded hugely

 

[Matiunz]

Performances of fhe kiwis against Australia would suggest its strengthened the game

plus the player base has expanded hugely

Kiwis beat the Kangaroos plenty before the Warriors existed this isn’t new. The last decade Warriors representation in the Kiwis has plummeted - even 2023 after the season the Warriors had they only had 1 representative in the kiwis squad

 

[Wb1234]

Kiwis beat the Kangaroos plenty before the Warriors existed this isn’t new. The last decade Warriors representation in the Kiwis has plummeted - even 2023 after the season the Warriors had they only had 1 representative in the kiwis squad

World Cup finals wins ?

warriors aren’t the only nrl team targeting kiwi juniors

are you really trying to say an nrl side hasn’t made the game far stronger

 

[Brian potter]

That is a really pathetic accusation to make (actually the lowest one you can accuse of somebody else)

That’s him all over though.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

An nrl team will support junior pathways

top down is the only way to go regarding expansion

nz couldn’t sustain a league to rival the nrl what hope has png got ?
Being part of the best rugby league comp on earth will drive the png game forward as it has for the wahs and nz

One benefit PNG has over NZ is RL is its national sport. A national NZ RL competition will always play second fiddle to the NPC in an RU dominant landscape. Plus, a PNG competition won't need to pay its players a lot in order for them to make a decent living from the game. With the GDP per capita being so low in PNG and the bulk of the country surviving on subsistence farming there will be young men willing to dedicate their lives to the game for AU$10-20k a year. This is where a broadcast rights deal with an Australian streaming service can have a huge impact on the game in PNG. A streaming deal worth $10.8m per annum would fund a 12 team competition with a salary cap of $900k. The average wage would be $30k. That's a lot of money for a Papuan.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

We aren't talking about Foxsports, we are talking about ch9 because that's the network you regularly bring up. They paid $0 extra.

About a decade ago Ch9 valued Brisbane 2 at $20m per annum.

Foxtel paid that sum before V'landys negotiated with Ch9.

Here's a post confirming it.

So if they demand an extra Brisbane team, and then refuse to pay extra for it, we just give them what they want anyway?

You're drifting off topic with bizarre hypotheticals.

Foxtel already paid the $20m per annum that Ch9 valued Brisbane 2 at a decade earlier.

Ch9 barely promote the game as it is, despite claiming to be the home of rugby league.

Ch9 provide $30m in contra.

 

[shadowformz]

Now this is a interesting twist https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/02/...erbrokers-say-aloha-to-dirty-reds-return-bid/

 

[Bukowski]

Now this is a interesting twist https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/02/...erbrokers-say-aloha-to-dirty-reds-return-bid/

Still not the worse suggestion out there.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The PNG Hunters struggle as it is, 4 PNG teams lol, you guys really over estimate the quality and quantity of players in PNG

The pathways in PNG have been 40 to 80 years behind Australia until recently. Not too long ago the PNG Schoolboys almost beat the Australian Schoolboys. With better systems in place there is a good chance of them producing dozens of NRL players.

 

[Matiunz]

World Cup finals wins ?

warriors aren’t the only nrl team targeting kiwi juniors

are you really trying to say an nrl side hasn’t made the game far stronger

Not the local game in NZ no, it’s far weaker than before the Warriors entered. Although with the way all clubs are scouting NZ it was likely always going to go that way.
Have heard others say similar about the BRL when the Broncs entered the NSWRL

 

[Matiunz]

Now this is a interesting twist https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/02/...erbrokers-say-aloha-to-dirty-reds-return-bid/

Bears will be looking to jump into bed with the bid in 3…2…1

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

add to that the running of junior grade competitions with say u19’s&u17’s along side the national digicel cup all feeding into the hunters and you’ve got some serious pathways for talented kumuls.

thats too much of a stretch for a lower tier competition in my opinion. Best to keep it as regional as possible with PNG sides competing in the Queensland cup.

I just don’t think the finances would add up unfortunately for a 2nd tier national competition.

I'd love to know what a second-tier competition player in the summer would be worth?

If be surprised if an eight or ten team competiton played between November and February failed to draw better ratings than the A-League or NBL.

Throw in old brands like Ipswich Jets, North Sydney Bears, Brisbane Tigers, Wynnum Manly Seagulls and Western Sydney Magpies.

 

[Wb1234]

Not the local game in NZ no, it’s far weaker than before the Warriors entered. Although with the way all clubs are scouting NZ it was likely always going to go that way.
Have heard others say similar about the BRL when the Broncs entered the NSWRL

Yeh and the game is booming in qld

 

[Maximus]

About a decade ago Ch9 valued Brisbane 2 at $20m per annum.

Foxtel paid that sum before V'landys negotiated with Ch9.

Here's a post confirming it.



You're drifting off topic with bizarre hypotheticals.

Foxtel already paid the $20m per annum that Ch9 valued Brisbane 2 at a decade earlier.



Ch9 provide $30m in contra.

You're embarrassing yourself. Ch9 paid a total of $0 extra. They can claim to value the team at whatever they want, but the fact is, they paid nothing for it.

Also, you can't claim they didn't pay up because the NRL went to Fox first, when a few posts ago you claimed they didn't pay up because they lost Broncos games.

Oh and if it was valued at $20m in 2012, it's valued at a lot more than that in 2023, so sounds like they underpaid.

But keep trying to justify why you want the game run by the networks that have shit all over the game for decades.

 

[Perth Red]

Ch9 provide $30m in contra.

No they don’t

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You're embarrassing yourself. Ch9 paid a total of $0 extra. They can claim to value the team at whatever they want, but the fact is, they paid nothing for it.

Why would they pay more when the rights were handed to them on a silver platter?

If some one offers you a $20 steak for just $10 then are you going to hand them a $20 bill?

Also, you can't claim they didn't pay up because the NRL went to Fox first, when a few posts ago you claimed they didn't pay up because they lost Broncos games.

Your condescensing rant might hold some substance if Gyngel said Ch9 would pay an extra $20m more for four fewer Broncos games and Brisbane 2.

Gyngel said a second Brisbane team will add $20m per annum to the broadcast rights. He never said he would pay that figure in the advent that Ch9 lost four Broncos games.

Learn context.

Foxtel paid the extra $20m, BTW.

You're just trying to divert attention away from the fact the Dolphins brought in the exact figure Gyngel said they were worth.

Oh and if it was valued at $20m in 2012, it's valued at a lot more than that in 2023, so sounds like they underpaid.

But keep trying to justify why you want the game run by the networks that have shit all over the game for decades.

You don't like it when you're wrong, hey?

At this stage I don't even know what point you're trying to make. If you think the ARLC is going to stand up to the broadcasters in 2027 then you're in for a rude shock. News Ltd and Ch9 will turn the clubs against V'landys and Abdo if they don't toe the line. They did it to Smith and Greenberg. It's what they do when they don't get the rights under their terms.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

No they don’t

I just had a look at it.

The deal will be for an average of $115 million in cash per year with a further $15 million of contra and other non-cash services to be provided. The terms are similar to the current deal that finishes after the 2022 season, which is worth an average of $115 million per year plus $10 million contra.

NRL and Nine sign broadcast deal worth $575m

amp.smh.com.au

It's $15m. An increase of $5m on the previous deal.