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2nd Test - Australia v New Zealand Hobart Dec 9 - Dec 13 2011

The Joker

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If Hughes' batting technique is so bad (and it is) what the f*ck is Justin Langer getting paid for?
 

Twizzle

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Khawaja is into his 6th test and has 1 significant innings to his name. Hughes, with all his well known flaws has done more in that same period. Now imagine his potential with those flaws fixed.

And like I've said many times, I'm not a Khawaja hater, I'd have him in my 11 as well, but if one of them has to be dropped first, it simply can't be Hughes. Flaws and all he's done more than Khawaja has in recent tests.

And both of them should be picked ahead of Ponting and Warner when Watson/Marsh come back.

problem is they are not fixed and in my opinion he should go back to first class cricket to fix them
 

Twizzle

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If Hughes' batting technique is so bad (and it is) what the f*ck is Justin Langer getting paid for?

he's good around the team and in the dressing sheds apparently

personally I think he just talks to them and gets in their head and trains them in the nets rather than fixing technical flaws

he's done nothing for Hughes
 

BunniesMan

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problem is they are not fixed and in my opinion he should go back to first class cricket to fix them
He's too good for that level. Even with those flaws he still murders nuffy bowlers at state level on pedestrian pitches. He's not going to fix his technique at first class level.

He has to stay at the top level. He has potential greatness in him. The only place that his potential will be fulfilled is the top level.

Now Langer might be a "headspace" guy helping our batsmen with their heads, but we need to bring in a technical expert in to identify and fix his flaws.

Primarily:
1) His grip
2) his back foot not getting across properly.
3) When coming forward to defend he plays across the line too often instead of blocking the ball straight back to the bowler.

Get someone in who can see those problems and knows how to fix them. Get him to put in hours with Hughes, from what I've heard he isn't lazy and works hard off the pitch so that isn't a problem.

But the main point is his game won't be fixed playing for NSW. His problems are only problems at the top level. And as a result, they can only be fixed at the top level.

And it's not like in previous years where there is too much of a line waiting to devote time to one bloke learning on the job. We're not going great, there isn't much outside the team banging the door down. He has shown the talent that he's worth sticking with.
 

Twizzle

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bottom line is he cant stay in the team if he keeps making single figures
 

BunniesMan

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bottom line is he cant stay in the team if he keeps making single figures
But the problem is he isn't making poor scores because he is shit. He's making poor scores because of specific flaws in his game that he needs coached out of him. After this test there's two weeks till the next one. If he had the right coach in with him he could solve all his problems and have enough time to enjoy Xmas before the boxing day test.

THAT would be a preferable option to dropping him for someone less talented.
 
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beads6

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Nobody can fix the flaws Hughes has in 2 weeks. You must be kidding. He has no confidence anyway, he will be cannon fodder to Ishant SHarma and Zaheer Khan FFS.
 

El Diablo

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But the problem is he isn't making poor scores because he is shit. He's making poor scores because of specific flaws in his game that he needs coached out of him. After this test there's two weeks till the next one. If he had the right coach in with him he could solve all this problems and have enough time to enjoy Xmas before the boxing day test.

THAT would be a preferable option to dropping him for someone less talented.

he was already dropped once and still he came back with same problem

tard
 

Dragon

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Wait wait a batsman reaches test level and needs someone to fix his grip... shouldn't you have that figured by about, oh i dunno, age 13?

Drop the merkin
 

Twizzle

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does it matter what the reason is ?

if he is making low scows he has to go

also he's been batting that way since he was a kid, you cant change that in a few weeks, its takes months or even years to change technical flaws because as soon as you become fatigued you revert back to your old ways

you need to change your technique and practice it in the nets till it becomes robotic so that when you get tired you dont go back to your old ways and its not just a matter of doing it in the nets, he needs to do it out in the middle for a season or two, hence he needs to go back to FC cricket imo
 

BunniesMan

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he was already dropped once and still he came back with same problem

tard
Which proves that route doesn't solve the problem. We need someone who knows what they're doing brought in to help him.
Wait wait a batsman reaches test level and needs someone to fix his grip... shouldn't you have that figured by about, oh i dunno, age 13?

Drop the merkin
He debuted for NSW at around 18. He's made 16 shield centuries. His technique has worked at every level of the game until he got to test cricket. He didn't change things then because all those flaws gave him mountains of runs.
 

typicalfan

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Hughes just doesn't understand, you could have 9 slips and he would still hit balls behind point. He is too one dimensional at this stage, I think he needs time at state level, or even on the green county wickets where his technique would need altering.
 

typicalfan

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Which proves that route doesn't solve the problem. We need someone who knows what they're doing brought in to help him.

He debuted for NSW at around 18. He's made 16 shield centuries. His technique has worked at every level of the game until he got to test cricket. He didn't change things then because all those flaws gave him mountains of runs.
Test cricket is a higher level than those, I think it is pretty simple.
 

TheParraboy

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And he doesn't need Justin langer in his headspace. That couldn't help anyone

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LOL just conveniently leave the 10 failures that precede the other 6 failures with a 2 of good scores thrown in to suit your incredibly weak argument. The simple facts are in the last year almost to the day he's made 2, 12, 16, 23, 13, 12, 28, 36, 0, 126, 9, 9, 88, 11, 10, 7, 4 which is an average of 23 and is nothing short of pathetic in anyone's language. Even yours :lol:

You mean the recent tests in recent weeks that are relevant or the tests from last year? You might as well go back a little further to South Africa 2009 and include his entire career ffs
 

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