2nd Test - Australia v New Zealand Hobart Dec 9 - Dec 13 2011

[some11]

My favourite Healy moment :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQPHrcVyJqY

 

[typicalfan]

He was international standard, sure, but he was nothing special. Haddin at his best is a better gloveman IMO, although not as consistent. Healy was the best keeper ever

Gilchrist was far better than Haddin is behind the wicket, dropped regulation catches and byes going between his legs.

What about Rod Marsh, he has as much credibility as a specialist keeper as Healy does.

 

[Bazal]

:lol::lol: Stop it please... I am wasting scotch.

You're entitled to your opinion, and it's easy to argue either way as they are both pretty comparable with the gloves. What is not arguable is Healy vs Gilchrist...I can't believe anyone is seriously saying they would have Gilly as a keeper over Heals...I don't care if he bats at 9, a wicket keepers job is to keep wicket and Healy blew Gilchrist away in that department

 

[Collingwood Storm]

The worst thing the selectors can do is stick with Hughes and Ponting, even if they make runs this inning.

Warner
Khawaja
Marsh
Watson
Clarke
Hussey

should be the top 6 come boxing day

 

[yappy]

Gilly was a superb keeper. Maybe, just maybe Healy shaded him on pure glovework, but frankly I don't think there is anything in it. I remember Gilly making some brilliant leg side stumpings, which is about the hardest part of the job. He was never made to look like a nuffy standing up to Warne and MacGill, and was great standing back.

 

[Leagueaddict]

You're entitled to your opinion, and it's easy to argue either way as they are both pretty comparable with the gloves. What is not arguable is Healy vs Gilchrist...I can't believe anyone is seriously saying they would have Gilly as a keeper over Heals...I don't care if he bats at 9, a wicket keepers job is to keep wicket and Healy blew Gilchrist away in that department

Yeah totally agree...Heals was a top keeper. Healy vs Marsh would be a closer contest.

 

[BunniesMan]

I could leave the 6 spot for an allrounder like Keith Miller or a batsman like a Greg Chappell or Ricky Ponting rather than wasting a position on a second keeper.

Well if you're smart like me you have both Benaud and Warne. That's a plenty long lower order.

Here is the undisputed 11:
Ponsford
Woodfull
Bradman
Miller
Border (c)
Gilchrist
Healy
Benaud
Warne
Lillee
Mcgrath

No other countrys 11 would ever beat that 11.

 

[beads6]

Well if you're smart like me you have both Benaud and Warne. That's a plenty long lower order.

Here is the undisputed 11:
Ponsford
Woodfull
Bradman
Miller
Border (c)
Gilchrist
Healy
Benaud
Warne
Lillee
Mcgrath

No other countrys 11 would ever beat that 11.

You've left out Ricky Ponting!!!!!!!!!!:crazy:

 

[Hallatia]

I get the feeling Warner and Hughes are batting against each other for one spot in the Boxing Day Test (IF Watson is fit)...

I suspect that from an Australian perspective, you would hope so.

 

[Bazal]

Steve Waugh>>>Gilchrist in the middle order.

 

[typicalfan]

Benaud was a great bowling all rounder but hardly a Warne, Tiger O'Reilly or Grimmett.

So you would pick Healy ahead of guys like Ponting, G Chappell, S Waugh etc

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

Gilly was a superb keeper. Maybe, just maybe Healy shaded him on pure glovework, but frankly I don't think there is anything in it. I remember Gilly making some brilliant leg side stumpings, which is about the hardest part of the job. He was never made to look like a nuffy standing up to Warne and MacGill, and was great standing back.

lol..... not many would argue that Gilchrist is a shit keeper but there is no chance in hell that he was in the same league has Healy

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

Well if you're smart like me you have both Benaud and Warne. That's a plenty long lower order.

Here is the undisputed 11:
Ponsford
Woodfull
Bradman
Miller
Border (c)
Gilchrist
Healy
Benaud
Warne
Lillee
Mcgrath

No other countrys 11 would ever beat that 11.

Miller at 4

lol

you f**king spastic

 

[typicalfan]

You're entitled to your opinion, and it's easy to argue either way as they are both pretty comparable with the gloves. What is not arguable is Healy vs Gilchrist...I can't believe anyone is seriously saying they would have Gilly as a keeper over Heals...I don't care if he bats at 9, a wicket keepers job is to keep wicket and Healy blew Gilchrist away in that department

And Gilchrist kept wicket and did it consistently. He ALSO won us many games with his batting, often taking the game away from the opposition.

Gilchrist won us more game than Healy, that in itself is a no contest. Gilchrists overall impact on the side > the gap between their keeping.

 

[BunniesMan]

Chappell/Waugh aren't far off but counting against Waugh is he only faced the tail end of tough pitches and the Windies greats. He then had a decade plus of cashing in on progressively tamer pitches and against largely very mediocre opposition, while being in arguably the greatest team of all time at its peak. You couldn't ask for much more. Waugh was my favourite batsman growing up but I still think of him as Border-lite.

Chappell goes very close. If cricket had 12 players he'd be in.

IMO Ponting doesn't belong in the conversation. My top 5 would all average 65 if they played 1995-2011. 52 or whatever his average is now in this day and age is simply not enough to put you in the conversation.

Gilchrist on the other hand was a better player than his average. On his day I'd back him to humiliate the best bowler you could throw up to face him. In the 1 in a million that my top 5 collapsed, I'd want noone but Gilchrist at 6 to save the day.

Healy is in, in the greatest ever 11 you should have the player you think is the greatest ever keeper. Especially when Warne is bowling.

Benaud is in because after Mcgrath and Lillee you don't need a 3rd fast bowler. If anyone can survive a 20 over opening spell of those two, a 3rd fast bowler won't get them out. IMO before Warne he was the best ever spinner.

And RP, Miller got most of his runs at 5 but I'd have him higher than Border. Besides, 4-5 isn't that much of a difference. If it makes you feel better I'll swap Border and Miller just for you.

 

[beads6]

Ponting is the best batsmen since Bradman and he doesn't belong in Australia's best XI.. Now I've heard it all.

 

[typicalfan]

Chappell/Waugh aren't far off but counting against Waugh is he only faced the tail end of tough pitches and the Windies greats. He then had a decade plus of cashing in on progressively tamer pitches and against largely very mediocre opposition, while being in arguably the greatest team of all time at its peak. You couldn't ask for much more. Waugh was my favourite batsman growing up but I still think of him as Border-lite.

Chappell goes very close. If cricket had 12 players he'd be in.

IMO Ponting doesn't belong in the conversation. My top 5 would all average 65 if they played 1995-2011. 52 or whatever his average is now in this day and age is simply not enough to put you in the conversation.

Gilchrist on the other hand was a better player than his average. On his day I'd back him to humiliate the best bowler you could throw up to face him. In the 1 in a million that my top 5 collapsed, I'd want noone but Gilchrist at 6 to save the day.

Healy is in, in the greatest ever 11 you should have the player you think is the greatest ever keeper. Especially when Warne is bowling.

Benaud is in because after Mcgrath and Lillee you don't need a 3rd fast bowler. If anyone can survive a 20 over opening spell of those two, a 3rd fast bowler won't get them out. IMO before Warne he was the best ever spinner.

And RP, Miller got most of his runs at 5 but I'd have him higher than Border. Besides, 4-5 isn't that much of a difference. If it makes you feel better I'll swap Border and Miller just for you.

Chappell faced the best attacks around and averaged over 50. Waugh faced a very strong WI attack in his time including Curtley Ambrose who is the only guy over the last 30 years I would consider as good as McGrath or maybe slightly better. Also he was a handy bowler in his younger days. Ponting at his absolute best would have dominated any era, he scored some runs on less than spectacular pitches as well as roads.

O'Reilly and Grimmett are far better than Benaud. And Miller is a third quick isn't he? lol.

 

[BunniesMan]

Ponting is the best batsmen since Bradman and he doesn't belong in Australia's best XI.. Now I've heard it all.

Don't believe the exaggerating cliches you heard from people who don't have enough perspective.

Ponting isn't better than Chappell even. Just because he's scored a greater total of runs does not make him better than every batsman not named Don.

Averaging 50+ in this day and age isn't THAT much of an acheivment. My top order except Miller averaged 50 when 50 really was an acheivement. And Miller would have averaged more than 50 in the 21st century.

We're not talking about the best batsman of a generation. We're talking about the best 6 ever. To be in the best lineup EVER you can't have a similar average to S Waugh, Langer, Hayden etc etc.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

How can you pass judgement on players you never saw?

What are you basing your opinion on that Benaud was the best spinner prior to Warne? I'm pretty sure Richie himself gives that honour to O'Reilly for Australia anyway

 

[beads6]

Don't believe the exaggerating cliches you heard from people who don't have enough perspective.

Ponting isn't better than Chappell even. Just because he's scored a greater total of runs does not make him better than every batsman not named Don.

I'll believe what I've seen with my own eyes thanks... The more you post the less of a clue you have. It is unbelievable some of the shit you spew out of your mouth.