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Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

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You claimed that them being kicked out in the 90s is proof that nobody was watching in those cities, which is therefore proof that nobody watches in those cities now.

I said News Ltd didn't value teams in Adelaide and Perth. You haven't provided any evidence to disprove my claim.

I showed you the FTA ratings for Adelaide and Perth. If I had the PTV ratings then I'd provide them. They don't exist.

The entire tv landscape is completely different to what it was in the 90s, so the fact that you keep trying to compare it shows that you've got no argument.

It's not "completely different" you dickhead. FTA still draws higher ratings than PTV and provides more money to the broadcast rights in 2023 than it did in 1998.

The NRL broadcast deals since the Super League war in 1997 have changed significantly over the years. Here is a brief summary of the major deals:

- **1998-2002**: The first deal after the reunification of the Australian Rugby League and the Super League was worth **$87 million** per year for five years, which was a **74% increase** from the previous deal⁴. The NRL broadcast rights were shared by the Nine Network and Foxtel, who paid for the privilege of broadcasting rugby league for the next five years⁴.
- **2003-2006**: The second deal was worth **$100 million** per year for four years, which was a **15% increase** from the previous deal⁵. The NRL broadcast rights were again shared by the Nine Network and Foxtel, with the latter gaining exclusive rights to five matches per round⁵.
- **2007-2012**: The third deal was worth **$500 million** in total for six years, which was a **25% increase** from the previous deal. The NRL broadcast rights were still shared by the Nine Network and Foxtel, with the former gaining exclusive rights to the State of Origin series and the grand final.
- **2013-2017**: The fourth deal was worth **$1.025 billion** in total for five years, which was a **105% increase** from the previous deal. The NRL broadcast rights were again shared by the Nine Network and Foxtel, with the latter gaining exclusive rights to eight matches per round.
- **2018-2022**: The fifth deal was worth **$1.8 billion** in total for five years, which was a **75% increase** from the previous deal. The NRL broadcast rights were still shared by the Nine Network and Foxtel, with the former gaining exclusive rights to four matches per round and the State of Origin series.
- **2023-2027**: The sixth and current deal is worth more than **$2 billion** in total for five years, which is a **11% increase** from the previous deal¹²³. The NRL broadcast rights are again shared by the Nine Network, Foxtel and Sky NZ, with the former retaining exclusive rights to the State of Origin series and the grand final¹²³.​

As you can see, the NRL broadcast deals have grown significantly over the years, reflecting the popularity and value of the sport in Australia and New Zealand. 🏉

Source: Conversation with Bing, 23/11/2023
(1) NRL broadcast deal: How record agreement with Channel Nine will affect .... https://www.nospam47.com/au/austral...ffect-youthe-season/bkvd4ba6dvi21f6nf6wdptt11.
(2) NRL close to finalising broadcast deal worth nearly $2bn. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/may/20/nrl-broadcast-deal-with-nine-and-fox.
(3) NRL agrees to new five-year broadcast deal with Nine. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-20/nrl-inks-new-broadcast-deal-with-nine/100715440.
(4) Explainer: What broadcast deal means for the game - NRL.com. https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/12/21/explainer-what-broadcast-deal-means-for-the-game/.
(5) NRL Extends Broadcast Deal, Worth $409M Annually. https://frontofficesports.com/nrl-extends-broadcast-deal-worth-409m-annually/.

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Not my fault you keep comparing 2023 with 1998. If you want to keep comparing irrelevant shit, I will continue making you look stupid.

Is there anything dumber than saying television is "completely different" in 2023 compared to 1998?

It has evolved significantly, but it's still built around the FTA/PTV model. Sports that don't have much exposure on FTA and print media struggle.

Streaming isn't the "gotcha" argument you think it is.

Super Rugby and A-League are generating more money from streaming than they were offered by Foxtel. They also have more exposure on FTA compared to their previous deals. Despite this, their marketshare has plumetted since they left Foxtel. If your argument held a grain of truth then more people would be watching Super Rugby and A-League because it's now cheaper and more accessible.

Ch9 ratings are not an indicator of anything other than ch9 ratings.

An NRL match on Ch9 generates higher ratings than one on Foxtel.

So if a Perth side is brought in, what would that tell you about the media landscape?

Depends on why it's brought in. If the WA Gov pay big money then it means the ARLC likes guaranteed money. It's why PNG are the favourite to pick up the 18th licence.
 

mongoose

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Doesn't matter that much what the Perth ratings are. A ninth game, no matter who it is will rate well because its NRL. At least with Perth you will arguably pick up a new audience. Brisbane 3 won't pick up a new audience, it will be the same people who already follow NRL.
 

Wb1234

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Doesn't matter that much what the Perth ratings are. A ninth game, no matter who it is will rate well because its NRL. At least with Perth you will arguably pick up a new audience. Brisbane 3 won't pick up a new audience, it will be the same people who already follow NRL.
Great argument

give Perth a team even though the Perth ratings will be nonexistent
 

Pippen94

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Doesn't matter that much what the Perth ratings are. A ninth game, no matter who it is will rate well because its NRL. At least with Perth you will arguably pick up a new audience. Brisbane 3 won't pick up a new audience, it will be the same people who already follow NRL.

Funny added 30k + members to NRL while broncos increased their members number too.
 
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Doesn't matter that much what the Perth ratings are. A ninth game, no matter who it is will rate well because its NRL. At least with Perth you will arguably pick up a new audience. Brisbane 3 won't pick up a new audience, it will be the same people who already follow NRL.

How do you know a game involving Perth won't be a fizzer like the Warriors are on Australian TV?

If it is a fizzer like the Warriors then imagine how shit the ratings would be for Perth vs NZ?
 

Canard

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We seem to be allowing the narrative that FTA TV ratings are the only ones that count.

Its disingenuous and a false narrative, given that only 3 of our games are broadcast on FTA every week, its also a shit metric.

A Warriors V Dragons game in June this year was the highest rating program on all Pay TV (STV), for example.

 

Perth Red

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So back to the now named Queensland Firehawks. What's people views on playing 8 games at Suncorp and 4 regionally? Richos regional choices seemed very random indeed.
Toowoomba and Rockhampton would make sense in terms of the Firehawks using both those areas as feeder clubs. The first iteration of the bid had a 5 year deal in place with CQ Capras if they got in. Dolphins have now snuck in but I suppose they could revert back to original agreement.
 

Perth Red

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We seem to be allowing the narrative that FTA TV ratings are the only ones that count.

Its disingenuous and a false narrative, given that only 3 of our games are broadcast on FTA every week, its also a shit metric.

A Warriors V Dragons game in June this year was the highest rating program on all Pay TV (STV), for example.

and that existing audiences are the only thing that counts! Surely the idea is to grow audiences with new people watching the game? Because something isnt that popular now doesnt mean it wont become popular in the future. Only people with no faith in the product would lay claim to that.
 

mongoose

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and that existing audiences are the only thing that counts! Surely the idea is to grow audiences with new people watching the game? Because something isnt that popular now doesnt mean it wont become popular in the future. Only people with no faith in the product would lay claim to that.
nah you just don't get it... NRL is the best product, much better than Awful, but people in Perth will never like RL - can you not understand that?
 
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So back to the now named Queensland Firehawks. What's people views on playing 8 games at Suncorp and 4 regionally? Richos regional choices seemed very random indeed.
Toowoomba and Rockhampton would make sense in terms of the Firehawks using both those areas as feeder clubs. The first iteration of the bid had a 5 year deal in place with CQ Capras if they got in. Dolphins have now snuck in but I suppose they could revert back to original agreement.

They should just call themselves the Firehawks and focus on SEQ. Encroaching upon Cowboys' catchment will create opposition from the club.

Ipswich, Logan and Toowoomba should be their main focus. If they go with that model, playing 10 or 11 games at Lang Park and 1 or 2 at Clive Berghofer Stadium then they'll have my support.

If they're going to be a "Queensland" club that plays all around the state then they should link up with the Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns Confraternity.

The Leprechauns could be a strong brand. Green and gold stripes with an Irish theme would make the club truly unique in Australian sport. Brothers have a large catchment of clubs around the country.
 

Perth Red

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nah you just don't get it... NRL is the best product, much better than Awful, but people in Perth will never like RL - can you not understand that?
it does seem an oxymoron to say how wonderful RL is, but then in the next breath that it cant attract more people to watch it unless they were born with it in the family.
 

Perth Red

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They should just call themselves the Firehawks and focus on SEQ. Encroaching upon Cowboys' catchment will create opposition from the club.

Ipswich, Logan and Toowoomba should be their main focus. If they go with that model, playing 10 or 11 games at Lang Park and 1 or 2 at Clive Berghofer Stadium then they'll have my support.

If they're going to be a "Queensland" club that plays all around the state then they should link up with the Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns Confraternity.

The Leprechauns could be a strong brand. Green and gold stripes with an Irish theme would make the club truly unique in Australian sport. Brothers have a large catchment of clubs around the country.
What happened to the Brothers bid? I was surprised not to see it resurface for a go at club 17. Maybe losing the pokie den made them give up?

 

Perth Red

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Are you applying this same logic to your posts about america or nah is it just Perth centric
If NRL was serious, and I mean really serious, about growing the game in America Id be all behind it. But what I've seen so far its a cynical cash grab from gambling, nothing about growing RL.

If it was about growing the game theyd be getting the 15 or so RL clubs around the table and nutting out a national league under their stewardship and investment. But they cant even do that in PNG or NZ so no hope in Nth America.
 

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