Rd.16 v’s Cowboys

[The Realist]

Upon reflecting on this game, I think the most disappointing thing (besides our senior players generally failing) was that our forwards didn't get on top of theirs enough.

The Cowboys were missing primarily their forwards and ours should have hammered theirs and they really didn't. Spencer was disappointing but I am surprised more people didn't mention Fish. Fish did nothing 'wrong', he had a decent even a somewhat good game - but you don't pay a prop big $$$ to play decent against a weak opposition pack. He should have really stood out but didn't. Not the first time this year either. Are we seeing Fish in decline?

 

[Buzzard Breath]

I realise it is pick on Peachey day, but what happened to the Pinnacle? All talk no grunt.

He started. Big difference coming off the bench after 20-25 minutes and ripping in, than ripping in as a starter against as fresh pack. He is not ready to handle the opening sting yet.

 

[Iamback]

Wasn’t that what the commentator said that Ivan said, or did he say that when being interviewed? If not, then no one actually knows what he said, in what context it was said, nor what his full message to the team was.

We had so many guys playing longer minutes than normal, In the heat of Townsville 8 points was never going to be enough

 

[Iamback]

Upon reflecting on this game, I think the most disappointing thing (besides our senior players generally failing) was that our forwards didn't get on top of theirs enough.

The Cowboys were missing primarily their forwards and ours should have hammered theirs and they really didn't. Spencer was disappointing but I am surprised more people didn't mention Fish. Fish did nothing 'wrong', he had a decent even a somewhat good game - but you don't pay a prop big $$$ to play decent against a weak opposition pack. He should have really stood out but didn't. Not the first time this year either. Are we seeing Fish in decline?

Comes down to a couple of different things.

Look at our bench, There was no impact there.

Henry should only start. He is like Huth offers no impact but is fine in a starting role.

Swapping him and Spencer would of helped. We are 0-3 when Spencer starts as he doesn't have the motor.

Though on that he came back on with 15 to go. Needed to come back earlier.

Goes with that bigger issue of the poor use of the bench.

Sorro was out on his feet. Garner for him.

Kenny actually going off for Luke.

That would of given us a fresher Sorro and Kenny to bring back on in the middle.

Garner played 17 mins as a forward
Henry 25
Spencer 42 - includes extra time

Tired forwards meant less go forward

 

[snickers007]

Upon reflecting on this game, I think the most disappointing thing (besides our senior players generally failing) was that our forwards didn't get on top of theirs enough.

The Cowboys were missing primarily their forwards and ours should have hammered theirs and they really didn't. Spencer was disappointing but I am surprised more people didn't mention Fish. Fish did nothing 'wrong', he had a decent even a somewhat good game - but you don't pay a prop big $$$ to play decent against a weak opposition pack. He should have really stood out but didn't. Not the first time this year either. Are we seeing Fish in decline?

Pretty sure Fish is playing injured. I'd be giving him this week off.

I agree with Franklin though, the bigger issue was Spencer starting.

 

[jane the pain]

Pretty sure Fish is playing injured. I'd be giving him this week off.

I agree with Franklin though, the bigger issue was Spencer starting.

I was cranky that Leniu was leaving, now I can't wait.

 

[Chins get the wins]

Pretty sure Fish is playing injured. I'd be giving him this week off.

I agree with Franklin though, the bigger issue was Spencer starting.

Something is up Fish has been poor all year

 

[Old and Disgruntled]

Something is up Fish has been poor all year

My opinion, the vastly "underrated" Leota starts the sets off bending the line in a crash fest., Fish and others then become more effective. Spencer was poor, and Sorrenson seems to pick and choose his games for a good performance. Smith, Henry and Hoskings were good.

 

[Chins get the wins]

My opinion, the vastly "underrated" Leota starts the sets off bending the line in a crash fest., Fish and others then become more effective. Spencer was poor, and Sorrenson seems to pick and choose his games for a good performance. Smith, Henry and Hoskings were good.

Leota surpassed Fish a while back

 

[Luke Bowden]

Best club game I have seen in a decade. Almost origin-like

you don’t watch much footy then.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

Leota surpassed Fish a while back

I think the two worst contracts we have put in place/not gone after over the past few years are To’o’s and Fish’s. I think both of them are great clubman but both contracts are two years too long.

 

[MugaB]

Good omen, lose at Townsville , win the GF.
We have a rematch Rd.27 opportunity at full strength for both teams.

Or hopefully lose with our youngsters, (and give our 1st graders a rest) like we did last year, being way ahead with our points on the ladder.... add that to Ivans tally.... atleast we'll be primed for finals

 

[Munky]

Spencer is the definition of 'impact player'.

Honestly believe his entire career should be played between the twentieth an sixtieth minutes.

His body type and skillset suggests wrecking ball which should be used after the preparation work for demolition has been completed.

 

[MugaB]

Spencer is the definition of 'impact player'.

Honestly believe his entire career should be played between the twentieth an sixtieth minutes.

His body type and skillset suggests wrecking ball which should be used after the preparation work for demolition has been completed.

Roosters won't start him either.... not sure he has moved there to gain anything, if anything he has just moved sideways, its like when assistant coaches leave a club to be an assistant elsewhere, instead of being a head coach

 

[BxTom]

Spencer is the definition of 'impact player'.

Honestly believe his entire career should be played between the twentieth an sixtieth minutes.

His body type and skillset suggests wrecking ball which should be used after the preparation work for demolition has been completed.

Spencer needed to park his ego and let his body build up to longer minutes just like the Panther's training staff were doing with him. Leota says hello...

 

[MugaB]

Spencer needed to park his ego and let his body build up to longer minutes just like the Panther's training staff were doing with him. Leota says hello...

Leota is a beast! By far my favorite player

 

[soc123_au]

Spencer needed to park his ego and let his body build up to longer minutes just like the Panther's training staff were doing with him. Leota says hello...

Pretty much this, I can understand a young Alpha thinking the way he does, but someone needed to advise him better. As you say, The Leota blueprint is pretty impressive. There is no shame being a benchie in the modern game anyway. A bench prop is just as important as a starter, the perfect ones in each position just have a different skill set.

Moses is an outlier, impact and able to do it from minute 1. It's a credit to him how far he has come.

 

[jane the pain]

Pretty much this, I can understand a young Alpha thinking the way he does, but someone needed to advise him better. As you say, The Leota blueprint is pretty impressive. There is no shame being a benchie in the modern game anyway. A bench prop is just as important as a starter, the perfect ones in each position just have a different skill set.

Moses is an outlier, impact and able to do it from minute 1. It's a credit to him how far he has come.

Unpopular opinion here, at first I was cranky he was leaving, not anymore. His firey temper could cost a game one day.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

Pretty much this, I can understand a young Alpha thinking the way he does, but someone needed to advise him better. As you say, The Leota blueprint is pretty impressive. There is no shame being a benchie in the modern game anyway. A bench prop is just as important as a starter, the perfect ones in each position just have a different skill set.

Moses is an outlier, impact and able to do it from minute 1. It's a credit to him how far he has come.

Being a starter is about money.

My frustration with the salary cap is that it is pigeon-holing the recruitment departments into putting limits on earnings (similar to what has happened in the NFL). I have said that I think Spencer will be the most impactful prop in in the game and I stand by it, but I also agree with @Munky above that the best way to deliver that impact is in the 40mins either side of half time.

In the modern game that doesn’t get you the big bucks, but if it is helping you win games (which I am sure it does, @Iamback there is hypothesis that we could help either proving or disproving using stats) then surely it is worth just as much as a starting prop that is just providing you commoditised output.

 

[Bred not Bought]

There is an ego thing about being a starter. I would imagine most players would want to start sooner than later.