Round 3 V Newcastle

[Luke Bowden]

No I think Critter would be better than SOS. Dylan was great on the weekend and against Manly and ok against the dragons, he had 2 errors playing the ball in that game so he was just ok but he has been nailing his passes so far which has been great to see and his positioning and kick returning is very very good as usual but Nathan is a far bigger loss to us than Dylan would be.

I know there is the idea that floated by some that he organises our defence so much better than anyone else could and we cant do with out that but I went through our games without him last season and we didnt concede more points when he was out our defence held up fine.

Critter said himself that he can’t organise the defence as good as Dylan.

It’s not an idea, it’s very well known that sorts out the defensive line, you can hear him the whole game. I don’t really care what the stats prove or don’t prove, it’s very easy to see the difference.

Personally I disagree, I think SOS does a better job of replacing Nathan than Critter or Charlie do replacing Dylan.

 

[Iamback]

No I think Critter would be better than SOS. Dylan was great on the weekend and against Manly and ok against the dragons, he had 2 errors playing the ball in that game so he was just ok but he has been nailing his passes so far which has been great to see and his positioning and kick returning is very very good as usual but Nathan is a far bigger loss to us than Dylan would be.

I know there is the idea that floated by some that he organises our defence so much better than anyone else could and we cant do with out that but I went through our games without him last season and we didnt concede more points when he was out our defence held up fine.

Alot of the work he does. Isn't shown on TV for example every tackle he is telling someone where to go. Spotting gaps and stuff. Crichton was fine but didn't talk up much that might come but it also hasn't for Turbo and Ponga

 

[Luke Bowden]

Cleary is the best player in the game. What an insane take to say Edwards is more important, Yeo is the only other player in the discussion for our most important

Who said he was more important?!?

I said that our replacement for Nathan is better than our replacement Fullbacks.

That is very different to saying that Edwards is more important…

 

[betcats]

Critter said himself that he can’t organise the defence as good as Dylan.

It’s not an idea, it’s very well known that sorts out the defensive line, you can hear him the whole game. I don’t really care what the stats prove or don’t prove, it’s very easy to see the difference.

Personally I disagree, I think SOS does a better job of replacing Nathan than Critter or Charlie do replacing Dylan.

Of course you dont care about the stats when they disagree with your point, stats arent everything but if our defence was suffering a lot when Dylan was out there would be some indication. Every fullback does that its part of the position, im sure Dylan is great at better than a lot but I commented at the time I checked and we never conceded more than our average of 12 last season when Dylan was out. When Critter had to fill in over the back half of last year he was excellent, safe in defensive and dangerous in attack. Remeber the round game against the rabbitohs late last season dylan went off in the first half and we got better with Critta there, we looked far more dangerous. That might not happen every time but Critter is a very good back up for Dylan.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Of course you dont care out the stats when they disagree with your point. Every fullback does that, im sure Dylan is great at better than a lot but I commented at the time I checked and we never conceded more than our average of 12 last season when Dylan was out. When Critter had to fill in over the back half of last year he was excellent, safe in defensive and dangerous in attack.

Stats don’t tell you anything about the opposition, weather conditions etc.

Watch the game live and listen to what is going on.
You don’t even need to know anything about rugby league to see and hear the difference.

Critter did an ok job, but the difference was night and day.

 

[betcats]

Watch the game live and listen to what is going on.
You don’t even need to know anything about rugby league to see and hear the difference.

Critter did an ok job, but the difference was night and day.

I am not saying there isnt a difference but it doesnt show up on the scoreboard that is for sure. You can talk about watching games live all you want but like i said if there was a significant drop off in our defence without Dylan the scoreboard would reflect it.

 

[murraymob]

Yep, two pies and a six pack per week. Free sauce if you make the rep teams...

Sounds like I might be over paid based on my ability

 

[betcats]

Alot of the work he does. Isn't shown on TV for example every tackle he is telling someone where to go. Spotting gaps and stuff. Crichton was fine but didn't talk up much that might come but it also hasn't for Turbo and Ponga

My point is not that Critter or anyone else can organise defence as well as Edwards, it is that we are an extremely good defensive side with or without Dylan. It held up last year just fine the games he was out. We are a very talented squad that is extremely well drilled and committed defensively.

 

[Smug Panther]

Who said he was more important?!?

I said that our replacement for Nathan is better than our replacement Fullbacks.

That is very different to saying that Edwards is more important…

My bad. Was driving a boat at work while I read it

 

[Luke Bowden]

My bad. Was driving a boat at work while I read it

I wish I was driving a boat!! That sounds great!

 

[Smug Panther]

I wish I was driving a boat!! That sounds great!

Sometimes haha

 

[John Hamblin]

Just a couple of random thoughts. The plodder Eiso has been good without being great and I thought Kenny was very good off the bench.

 

[Luke Bowden]

I am not saying there isnt a difference but it doesnt show up on the scoreboard that is for sure. You can talk about watching games live all you want but like i said if there was a significant drop off in our defence without Dylan the scoreboard would reflect it.

There is a very good reason we played Dylan with one foot last year.

If didn’t make a significant difference, he wouldn’t have been risked.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Just a couple of random thoughts. The plodder Eiso has been good without being great and I thought Kenny was very good off the bench.

Eiso was great on Saturday. I thought he did really well.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

There is a very good reason we played Dylan with one foot last year.

If didn’t make a significant difference, he wouldn’t have been risked.

A lot of Dyl's work is done off the ball. Getting defence line set, making sure their are no gaps. This isn't shown in stats, and is often overlooked.

 

[Iamback]

My point is not that Critter or anyone else can organise defence as well as Edwards, it is that we are an extremely good defensive side with or without Dylan. It held up last year just fine the games he was out. We are a very talented squad that is extremely well drilled and committed defensively.

We are a far weaker team with Crichton not in the centres though.
Staines is too quiet
Turuva is the closest but is unproven in NRL

 

[betcats]

There is a very good reason we played Dylan with one foot last year.

If didn’t make a significant difference, he wouldn’t have been risked.

They took that risk with a number of our players Nathan included that doesnt prove our defence is worse without Dylan at all.


Are you really saying that losing Dylan to a season ending injury would hurt our chances more than losing Nathan to a season ending injury this year? Hypothetically speaking, of course we dont want to lose either.

 

[betcats]

We are a far weaker team with Crichton not in the centres though.
Staines is too quiet
Turuva is the closest but is unproven in NRL

Mate would you rather lose Cleary or Edwards for the season if you had to pick one? I really cant believe there is a debate about this.

 

[Luke Bowden]

They took that risk with a number of our players Nathan included that doesnt prove our defence is worse without Dylan at all.


Are you really saying that losing Dylan to a season ending injury would hurt our chances more than losing Nathan to a season ending injury this year? Hypothetically speaking, of course we dont want to lose either.

It’s not just defence, Dylan’s positional play is so good that he catches so many balls on the full and then returns it to a better position on the field. Critter and Charlie don’t have that ability yet.

Nathan is arguably the best player in the comp, No arguement, so of course his loss would be bigger.

What I’m saying is, our team is better equipped to deal with his loss, than we are the loss of Edwards.

 

[betcats]

It’s not just defence, Dylan’s positional play is so good that he catches so many balls on the full and then returns it to a better position on the field. Critter and Charlie don’t have that ability yet.

Nathan is arguably the best player in the comp, No arguement, so of course his loss would be bigger.

What I’m saying is, our team is better equipped to deal with his loss, than we are the loss of Edwards.

I get what you are saying I just disagree. We are a much better side with Nathan and one of the back up fullbacks than we are with Dylan and Sean backing up. Critter and probably even Staines are a lot closer to Dylan than Sean is to Cleary.