The Pride thread 🌈

[strider]

How does a mural "make" someome be anything.

Its got absolutely nothing to do with something making someone be something.

Why does a kid need to associate a teddy bear with something sexual? ...... its got absolutely nothing to do with being gay either. The problem is its being justified as ok in the association of being gay.

 

[IFR33K]

seriously ?

do you think that is a fair comparison ?

being gay is not a felony

Never said it was. Old mate said kids should be exposed to all sorts of things, including gay people, boys that wear dresses and girls that want to be boys.

my point is kids need to be kids, and shouldn’t be exposed to anything, until they really understand the situation.

 

[Gary Gutful]

So is that you, in this thread?

What is the "pendulum" you speak of? People having to face up to some internal fear that they'll be overrun by gays?

It's small minded and doesn't make sense.

No. I'd probably put myself in this category below:

Its also likely that those without strong views might resent any attempts to re-define social norms, which is what is currently occurring on the topic of gender.

Being gay is irrelevant imo. I don't really want it shoved down my face though. Just like I don't really want heterosexual shit shoved down my face. I get that gay people are still persecuted in many parts of the world and we need to do more to stamp out intolerance. Celebrating it in ways that we don't celebrate heterosexual sex isn't really a winning strategy imo and won't achieve that outcome. I don't see why you cant say that without being labelled intolerant.

I think the pendulum I'm talking about is more in relation to the idea that gender is fluid and that there is no such thing as a genetic male or female. This pronoun shit is social engineering at it's worst.

And can you see at all how taking that position / allowing those attitudes and reactiosn contradicts your second sentence statement?

I can see how you might interpret it that way, but I don't believe it does. Its important to understand both sides of any argument. When yourself and Gronk play the "you are intolerant" card when we are trying to explore and unpack complex issues does nobody any favours.

Maybe I need to call you both a bigot and intolerant in relation to your religious views for you to understand where I am coming from.

P.S. I'm atheist and not defending religion. Just trying to use a comparison that might assist.

 

[IFR33K]

Its got absolutely nothing to do with something making someone be something.

Why does a kid need to associate a teddy bear with something sexual? ...... its got absolutely nothing to do with being gay either. The problem is its being justified as ok in the association of being gay.

yep. At what point does ones sexuality,
And promoting it, cross the mark. Whether it be hetro or homo. Surely a line in the sand needs to be drawn

 

[hindy111]

“People who react to that” are literally 4 merkins who think that they have the right to dump their intolerance in the Pride thread on Mardi Gras weekend. All laughing and liking each other’s posts.

Yet you are focused on my condescending tone….

All.I said was the Mardi gra was boring. I want to see tits and offensive in my face things.
It's lame now and no fun.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

You’ll probably find that even on a relative scale, Heterosexuals are responsible for more murders, assaults, rapes, robbery’s, frauds, maimings, property damage and every other crime and social disadvantage possible that homosexuals.

Maybe they should be objecting to us?!

The proposition that gays etc are bad people because they are gay doesn’t hold up.

That’s not to say all gays are innately good, but you get my drift.

If it’s all consensual and lawful, its my belief, it’s a human right to enjoy your sexuality as you please.

I’ve never been to the Mardi Gras, but if it makes people happy, I’m cool with it.

If I see some hairy front rower on Mardi Gras TV in a pink tutu and thong thing, cardboard dong hat …I have a laugh.

We could have an nrl float I suppose.

 

[Gary Gutful]

You’ll probably find that even on a relative scale, Heterosexuals are responsible for more murders, assaults, rapes, robbery’s, frauds, maimings, property damage and every other crime and social disadvantage possible.

The proposition that gays etc are bad people because they are gay doesn’t hold up.

That’s not to say all gays are innately good, but you get my drift.

If it’s all consensual and lawful, its my belief, it’s a human right to enjoy your sexuality as you please.

I don't think anyone was putting that proposition forward. Unless George Pell made a couple of earlier posts that I missed.

 

[Delboy]

That darling of the Green left, Lydia Thorpe showed what a menace she is and they are, F… the police seems a standard message from her and similar. Disgraceful

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I don't think anyone was putting that proposition forward. Unless George Pell made a couple of earlier posts that I missed.

Lol, no I wasn’t attributing the submission to anyone on the panel here.

But the NRL float is long overdue.

 

[horrie hastings]

Lol, no I wasn’t attributing the submission to anyone on the panel here.

But the NRL float is long overdue.

‘Not gay enough’: Mardi Gras snubs NRL float following Manly’s rainbow jersey fiasco

After having a float in the parade for seven of the past eight years, organisers rejected this year’s application.

www.smh.com.au

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Content warning;


NRL float as it moves through the crowd:

A boxing ring with the mascots trying to wrestle and mount each other.

Blow up Manly players wearing rainbow jerseys

Balds for gays corner, Bea and Mary blowing kisses.

The NRL trophy fashioned into a giant dildo.

Hopefully that’s “saucy” enough @horrie hastings.

Obviously I don’t work in public relations.

 

[the phantom menace]

Its got absolutely nothing to do with something making someone be something.

Why does a kid need to associate a teddy bear with something sexual? ...... its got absolutely nothing to do with being gay either. The problem is its being justified as ok in the association of being gay.

So if it's not making anyone be something, and it (teddy bear) has got nothing to do with being gay, then what's all the moral panic about a (presumably temporary) piece of art?

People need to chill - it's ok for todays kids to know there are men that like men and women that like women as well as the vast majority that are (including the majority of cultural references about) men that like women/women that like men. Many of today's kids have family members in that situation (who thankfully no longer have to hide or pretend about it) anyway.

 

[the phantom menace]

Never said it was. Old mate said kids should be exposed to all sorts of things, including gay people, boys that wear dresses and girls that want to be boys.

my point is kids need to be kids, and shouldn’t be exposed to anything, until they really understand the situation.

Kids can understand a lot, if we give them the chance and don't (from our own biases) act all uptight about such things.

Letting kids be kids is exactly that - if a boy wants to innocently wear a dress, just let him - instead of being uptight about what they "should" be like. Etc etc.

 

[strider]

So if it's not making anyone be something, and it (teddy bear) has got nothing to do with being gay, then what's all the moral panic about a (presumably temporary) piece of art?

People need to chill - it's ok for todays kids to know there are men that like men and women that like women as well as the vast majority that are (including the majority of cultural references about) men that like women/women that like men. Many of today's kids have family members in that situation (who thankfully no longer have to hide or pretend about it) anyway.

i already explained i think its about the over sexualisation .... a dude in bondage clothes - hetro or gay makes no diff ..... but thats fine, if you don't believe thats what i think or disagree then whatever

 

[the phantom menace]

No. I'd probably put myself in this category below:

Fair enough.

Being gay is irrelevant imo. I don't really want it shoved down my face though. Just like I don't really want heterosexual shit shoved down my face. I get that gay people are still persecuted in many parts of the world and we need to do more to stamp out intolerance. Celebrating it in ways that we don't celebrate heterosexual sex isn't really a winning strategy imo and won't achieve that outcome. I don't see why you cant say that without being labelled intolerant.

The "shoving in my face" thing - as others have said, we have choices and nothing is shoved in our faces. It's called a remote control if you need to change the channel, it's called not forking out to go to the cinema if you're worried about sex scenes (though it seems more like your worry is just gay characters in general)?

I think the pendulum I'm talking about is more in relation to the idea that gender is fluid and that there is no such thing as a genetic male or female. This pronoun shit is social engineering at it's worst.

Gender is not the same as genetic. I don't think anyone is arguing gender is the same as genetic, or that there are no such things as genetic differences between people? Just that maybe putting things in two strict camps because of invisible science matters less than someone's individual experience/identification.

After initial shock at initial exposure to these things in my late teens, my fall back has always been each to their own (with a shrug) - I can respect differences, without moral panic. I'm just glad that with increased exposure and tolerance now - unlike the 10 or so people in my school grade who had to hide who they knew they were until it was safe(r) in their 20s - kids in the same situation won't have to go through the impacts of that as badly (perhaps).

 

[the phantom menace]

I can see how you might interpret it that way, but I don't believe it does. Its important to understand both sides of any argument. When yourself and Gronk play the "you are intolerant" card when we are trying to explore and unpack complex issues does nobody any favours.

Maybe I need to call you both a bigot and intolerant in relation to your religious views for you to understand where I am coming from.

P.S. I'm atheist and not defending religion. Just trying to use a comparison that might assist.

I try and understand both sides - as much as I am able for sides I disagree with. But sides of an argument aren't always equivalent in what is there to understand - and while it might not do any favours, surely calling out shortcomings in a side of an argument is as valid as stating that side of an argument in the first place (as it is when it comes in the other direction).

Feel free to call me a bigot re my views on organised religion - I won't deny it, or get flustered. Each to their own with a shrug, but that shouldn't preclude someone from indicating a view/opinion/argument simply doesn't add up or make sense. I am also bigoted to things that (after some effort) seem simple-minded - although I did quite like the band back in the day...

 

[the phantom menace]

i already explained i think its about the over sexualisation .... a dude in bondage clothes - hetro or gay makes no diff ..... but thats fine, if you don't believe thats what i think or disagree then whatever

So you don't like art of a guy in the S&M gear, and that's it?

What about the scene in Pulp Fiction of the gimp - fan or not a fan? Did it spoil the movie for you, or you didn't like that type of film anyway?

 

[the phantom menace]

That darling of the Green left, Lydia Thorpe showed what a menace she is and they are, F… the police seems a standard message from her and similar. Disgraceful

She is disgraceful, but I don't know that she's anyone's darling... she's not (no longer) a Green - for which I think the Greens can be thankful. And I think she's so far left of anything that she'll fade into irrelevance (once her self-referrential campaign for a No vote on the Voice fades away).

Enough to make you vote Yes to disagree with her, isn't it...

 

[strider]

So you don't like art of a guy in the S&M gear, and that's it?

What about the scene in Pulp Fiction of the gimp - fan or not a fan? Did it spoil the movie for you, or you didn't like that type of film anyway?

Do they screen pulp fiction on a billboard outside wynyard railway station?

 

[the phantom menace]

Reading this thread today did make me think of the term pearl-clutching.