Western Corridor NRL bid

[Perth Red]

Back to Ipswich (isn't there a CC Bears thread somewhere else?)

Aside from a statement about being interested is there anything else known about the bid? Whose behind it, have they a website? What are their claimed strengths?

 

[Loudstrat]

Bears are not a relocated team, they would be a resurrected team.

Perth isn't chasing dreams, it is putting a team into a brand new population of 1.6million people in one of the richest cities in the country with a large NSW/Q'land/Kiwi/Nth English RL background population and a place full of mining companies desperate to attract workers from the East coast.

eally? Mining companies seeking employees is essential for a strong NRL side? No wonder Cronulla is f*cked - there are no mines in the shire.

The big negative with Perth is how RL would compete with Super 14 - and their lengthening comp and annual test v South Africa.

That's before we look at TV audience, new live TV time options and the opportunity to expand on a junior RL development system that is already producing NRL players. The Perth option isn't about challenging AFL(never going to happen in any AFL city just as AFL will never challenge RL in Sydney) it is about growing RL and making it a stronger game across Australia at all levels.

What juniors??????

The CC would produce a sh*tlod more juniors than Perth.

Gallop has already said it will be one heartland and one expansion team, the battle it seems is between CC and Ipswich.

That was before ipswitch rised their ugly heartland head.

I have no problem with the Bears getting in, it is a safe if unexciting option. The Bears bid team have done a brilliant job and could do no more than what they have achieved. I do see however that a 2nd Brisbane team has more potential in a lot of areas for the game, especially in the much vaunted TV $'s.

I have asked this a few times - yet to get an answer. How would a 2nd SEQ side mean more for TV dollars than the CC??

I have sat up awake at night thinking about this little conundrum. The only solution I can possibly come up with is this team should be called the Brisbane Jets.

It is ultimately futile for the bid to limit itself to Western Brisbane to garner support. Whilst the team should base itself in the region, training facilities, leagues club and the like, there needs to be an attempt for attracting a broader audience. The entire region is crying out for another team to support and the potential market is scattered across the South-East region. Resurrecting a former name like South Qld is also fraught with danger as that name is tainted by the demise of the Crushers.

I would go with the colours of dark green and white that are synonymous with the Ipswich club. These would provide a nice counterpoint to other clubs and tie in nicely with the clubs history.

There would be opposition from some Ippy locals but at the end of the day this new entity needs to be very smart about attracting fans. By calling the club the Brisbane Jets they give themselves the best opportunity to do so.

Have to agree. Given that the media and the code tend to push the mascot nmes first, the locl game would be Jets 42 Broncos 6, not Brisbane 42 Brisbane 6.

It would be nice if the new club DIDN'T wear blue and gold like every other new club - even the Broncos are suddenly paying in blue, and Cronulla have a big gold streak - nice to be f*cking original.

Ray Hadley said on radio a week ago said he didn't want the Bears back in the comp.

Think of him what you will. He is a high profile identity and people listen to what he says and takes it in (and in most cases both their heads take it in). You can't just put on the blinkers and shout 'la la la' because a handful orf people want to resurrect the wooly mammoth.

John Hammond failed. The Bears will too.

Ray hadley wouldn't know his arse from his left man boob. The only people who listen to him eitehr have advanced dementure or are on the methodone project. Or Ipswitch residents. None have all their teeth, only half know both prents, and 80% play a banjo.

 

[PaulyTom]

Ipswich have acted on setting up a team far to late. The Bears and Reds have been planning for over 5 years to get a team in the comp. It seems like the Jets idea has been a dream one night and released over the past 2 weeks. There is a lot more organising to be done before this bid is even worthy of a shot at a position in the 2013 comp.

 

[Didgi]

I have asked this a few times - yet to get an answer. How would a 2nd SEQ side mean more for TV dollars than the CC??

Personally I want the Bears over another CQ/SEQ team, and I dont think the TV $ would be affected greatly, but one possible reason is there is already 11 teams within the NSW area, but only 3 in QLD. There's possibly more sponsorship available, and in QLD where there are not as many teams there are more potential new viewers.

I dont neccessarily agree with that thoguh.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Ipswich have acted on setting up a team far to late. The Bears and Reds have been planning for over 5 years to get a team in the comp. It seems like the Jets idea has been a dream one night and released over the past 2 weeks. There is a lot more organising to be done before this bid is even worthy of a shot at a position in the 2013 comp.

The Bears are a relocation and the Reds are in an emerging market, they both need more time to get organised. The Jets have existed since before the Broncos and are in the middle of RL heartland.

There has been plenty of talk about a team from Western Brisbane ever since the Titans were admitted, it's one of the few things Gallop has never umm'd and ahh'd over. He has said for a long time that the NRL needs a team there.

Also you're assuming that what they've released to the public is everything there is to know about the bid:
“We won’t make a spectacle of this proposal, we want to keep it low key, but if Gallop wants a team here we will have the evidence to prove how it will work."

 

[adamkungl]

The CC would produce a sh*tlod more juniors than Perth.

They already do. But if it came down to Perth v CC, a team in Perth would result in a bigger increase in juniors. CC will continue producing juniors regardless of whether they have a team, RL is already popular there.

I have asked this a few times - yet to get an answer. How would a 2nd SEQ side mean more for TV dollars than the CC??

Neither will being in new viewers, same argument as juniors. There would be another game, so more TV dollars, with ANY 2 teams. People in Ipswich and CC are already watching NRL. A Perth team would bring in new viewers.

 

[Red Bear]

Ray Hadley said on radio a week ago said he didn't want the Bears back in the comp.

Think of him what you will. He is a high profile identity and people listen to what he says and takes it in (and in most cases both their heads take it in). You can't just put on the blinkers and shout 'la la la' because a handful orf people want to resurrect the wooly mammoth.

John Hammond failed. The Bears will too.

Ray Hadley doesnt want us? Even more reason to resume our place in the comp.

 

[jim_57]

Whilst I understand this isn't about CC and W.A., you are already popping the champagne before anything is in stone. And have made some bullsh*t assumptions of our bid.

I have been actively working on this bid, I actively know the in's and out's of the CCBEARS. That is the advantage I have as all the information I post is factual and already in place.

Fans: The CCBEARS have an area of 1 million density with new Central Coast patrons and former BEARS supporters. This is already a physically evident in the members, signees and crowds coming to games on the CC. There are more CCBEARS fans from brisbane at this point in time then there are Ipswich NRL Bid or Central QLD NRL Bid fans. Our fan base is bigger then at least 3 clubs currently in the NRL. Besides 2 negative articles, media exposure has been tremendous with a bunch of CCBEARS fans invading the footy show, matty johns show and thursday night live in the coming weeks. There have been BEARS fans since 1908. (What team have you supported since 1882? An AFL One?)

Sponsors: The CCBEARS have over 6 major sponsors and another 10 local sponsors with more in the pipeline. Our total equity has increased drastically due to this and the money is already physically being pumped into the CCBEARS who then pump it back into the CC juniors, schools and coaching clinics. Our community work is an on going program. Initiative was started 10+ years ago! Norths Leagues & CCDRL have come to a single purpose now as evident by CCDRL allowing CCBEARS tents at all up coming district/region/junior finals. We don't rely on the iffy mining sectors to fund us (hence eliminating the problems Illawarra and Newcastle had/have)

Stadium: Unlike many clubs, teams or bids. We not only have a stadium but we own stakes in it. A huge advantage as stadium costs aren't needed unless a redevelopment/upgrade occurs in the next 10-15 years, which we would have the funding for it anyway. Therefore without the added pressures of needing a stadium we can instead pour $20 million into a Sports Excellence Center on the CC.

if you go to www.centralcoastbears.com.au all the info is on the site. Up to date.

Also the same RLW publication that last week tooted the Central QLD's bid horn and got their fans excited, has now published a CCBEARS article this week and called the CCBEARS bid the "overwhelming favorites". Boo-ya-ka-cha!

An English club maybe? though unless it was a Union club that started in 1882 and switched in 1895 then the year is wrong. Rugby League was first played in 1895 so obviously no Rugby League team existed before then.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

An English club maybe? though unless it was a Union club that started in 1882 and switched in 1895 then the year is wrong. Rugby League was first played in 1895 so obviously no Rugby League team existed before then.

No offence but it never ceases to amaze me how many of our own fans don't understand the history of the game.

 

[lturner]

Neither will being in new viewers, same argument as juniors. There would be another game, so more TV dollars, with ANY 2 teams. People in Ipswich and CC are already watching NRL. A Perth team would bring in new viewers.

Totally wrong.

TV stations make money by selling advertising or subscriptions, the money doesn´t just appear out of thin air depending on how many "potential" viewers there are. It all depends on how many people watch each match. Ipswich or Central Coast might not bring "new" viewers, but does this matter? Someone in Ipswich or Brisbane who only ever watches 1 game each week might now watch 2.

The TV stations want high-rating matches, do they really care if it´s the same people watching, or "new" people?

Ask yourself this, which match would draw more viewers nationally? A match against a random neutral side, such as Melbourne:

Melbourne vs Ipswich
Melbourne vs Central Coast
Melbourne vs Perth

Ipswich would be the winner. Perth would be a distant last at least in the medium term. Just like the Swans in Sydney and Lions in Brisbane, very small viewing audience.

Doesn´t mean that Perth is not the right choice for other reasons, but they would bring very little extra TV revenue.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Totally wrong.

TV stations make money by selling advertising or subscriptions, the money doesn´t just appear out of thin air depending on how many "potential" viewers there are. It all depends on how many people watch each match. Ipswich or Central Coast might not bring "new" viewers, but does this matter? Someone in Ipswich or Brisbane who only ever watches 1 game each week might now watch 2.

The TV stations want high-rating matches, do they really care if it´s the same people watching, or "new" people?

Ask yourself this, which match would draw more viewers nationally? A match against a random neutral side, such as Melbourne:

Melbourne vs Ipswich
Melbourne vs Central Coast
Melbourne vs Perth

Ipswich would be the winner. Perth would be a distant last at least in the medium term. Just like the Swans in Sydney and Lions in Brisbane, very small viewing audience.

Doesn´t mean that Perth is not the right choice for other reasons, but they would bring very little extra TV revenue.

How do you figure Ipswich would have more people watching?

 

[lturner]

How do you figure Ipswich would have more people watching?

Same reason that Brisbane are on Friday night football so much. There's a huge footy loving audience in and around Brisbane, and Ipswich would have a good chance of tapping into this.

Both Central Coast Bears and Ipswich would have their own group of supporters, but which club would draw in the casual viewer more successfully? When all the excitement dies away, the Bears would just be another one of 10 Sydney-region teams fighting for air, whereas Ipswich would be be sure to rate highly in Brisbane.

Even though Brisbane only has around half the population of Sydney, free-to-air games tend to get around 75% of the viewers that Sydney gets.

I'm pretty sure a channel 9 executive went on record earlier this year or last year saying that the only new team that would be likely to add value to the broadcasting deal would be another one in South-East Queensland. I don't have the article to hand, maybe someone can remember where this was?

 

[bobmar28]

Geez I think its freaking exciting. They potentially could be as big(support wise) as Newcastle, St George, Parra and the Tigers, having another match like that a few times a year would be awesome.

The fact that the Central Coast is backed by the Bears too only makes it more exciting. Bears vs Sea Eagles, Central Coast vs Newcastle, and because the Syd-Newy Freeway is virtually in Parra, Bears vs Eels will be another "derby"!

I friggin cant wait to see this again.

You could be waiting a while. The last thing the NRL needs is an eleventh NSW team. Even someone as dense as adamkungl could see that.

 

[applesauce]

Doesn´t mean that Perth is not the right choice for other reasons, but they would bring very little extra TV revenue.

WTF are you smoking?

Streaming live games from Perth into the east coast at 9:30 on a friday night would increase the numbers watching the second game eg. (Reds vs. Eels). Adverting will finally be sold as National rather than East coast and this should increase the price for TV networks.

Perth has a population approaching 2mill and has far more growth potential than any other current bid.

At the very least it will get league on at a decent hour in another state of Australia increasing the NRL's exposure, something Ipswich and the CC both get already.

Perth needs to be in 100% no matter what. The other 2 can fight it out with the logical choice going to CC due to the progression of the bid. If the Ipswich bid got off the ground earlier it would be the favourite. We will just have to wait and see what they can do in 1year to convince the NRL to get a licence and if they do what can happen in the following year to get their bid up to speed upon entry.

 

[Brutus]

They already do. But if it came down to Perth v CC, a team in Perth would result in a bigger increase in juniors. CC will continue producing juniors regardless of whether they have a team, RL is already popular there.



Neither will being in new viewers, same argument as juniors. There would be another game, so more TV dollars, with ANY 2 teams. People in Ipswich and CC are already watching NRL. A Perth team would bring in new viewers.

Superb points there AK.

 

[Perth Red]

An English club maybe? though unless it was a Union club that started in 1882 and switched in 1895 then the year is wrong. Rugby League was first played in 1895 so obviously no Rugby League team existed before then.

not that its relevant to the thread, but, Hull KR. Stood on the Craven Park terraces for all of my youth, home and away including that glorious day in May,1980

 

[redvscotty]

Who would your first year 17 be?

 

[adamkungl]

You could be waiting a while. The last thing the NRL needs is an eleventh NSW team. Even someone as dense as adamkungl could see that.

Wrong.

My preference is for Perth 17th, CC 18th. SE QLD in another 5 years.

 

[jim_57]

No offence but it never ceases to amaze me how many of our own fans don't understand the history of the game.

I thought it was right but anyway no offence taken, atleast i know it's not 103 years old like the Australian media constantly says.

 

[imasharkie]

Ipswich would bring a lot more viewers to the game on tv.
A lot of Brisbane people don't like the Broncos.
Ipswich is the biggest growth area in Queensland and would potentially add a whole new range of fans who live in this area.
I'm a fan of the Broncos and I would also support the Ipswich team. They would definetly get me to the ground to watch more games, and I would imagine a lot of Broncos fans too.