18th club, whose next?

[MugaB]

Yet they go to Souffs who will still use other schools

Morons... bit suprised they didn't link up with bronx or phins being neighbouring nrl teams

 

[Centy Coast]

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Morons... bit suprised they didn't link up with bronx or phins being neighbouring nrl teams

absolutely ridiculous, so if there is a kid from Keebra Park with NRL potentential do they really think he will go to Souths if any of the QLD NRL sides are also showing interest in him.

 

[MugaB]

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absolutely ridiculous, so if there is a kid from Keebra Park with NRL potentential do they really think he will go to Souths if any of the QLD NRL sides are also showing interest in him.

It doesn't stop anyone from poaching anyone, but you have the chance to blood them and also try to keep them for unders if you see potential prior to anyone else scouting for them... its really all about who can get there first... the NFL scouters are relentless when it comes to those college kids in the U.S, this is no different, but there is less competition between certain clubs trying to outplay each other at flagging the next prospect

 

[Iamback]

It doesn't stop anyone from poaching anyone, but you have the chance to blood them and also try to keep them for unders if you see potential prior to anyone else scouting for them... its really all about who can get there first... the NFL scouters are relentless when it comes to those college kids in the U.S, this is no different, but there is less competition between certain clubs trying to outplay each other at flagging the next prospect

Issue is with interstate recruitment.

If x player gets a girl friend or something then it is harder to get them down.

They will get them to Sydney asap to have the opposite affect

 

[Wb1234]

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absolutely ridiculous, so if there is a kid from Keebra Park with NRL potentential do they really think he will go to Souths if any of the QLD NRL sides are also showing interest in him.

They’ve never really been associated with the titans

they had a deal originally with the tigers hence how they got Benji Marshall

 

[blue bags]

Aleague has a new team. Club.
In New Zealand
Football club in Auckland
Obviously based in Auckland
Aleague going forward

 

[Perth Red]

So when you say "it just Proves" you mean here is my opinion wthout any proof yet

It proves clubs go well beyond their boundaries to find talent, that’s what it proves. All this nonsense about jnr numbers in a clubs actual region is over rated. Clubs are scouting and forming partnerships far and wide.

 

[APPSY]

On the Keebra stuff, absolutely baffled how they thought they could leverage the Titans to drop partnerships with PBC, Marsden, etc. Absolutely shocking. But as everyone has stated, just because Souths now are affiliated, does not mean the other 16 clubs can't come in and still scout and sign players. It'll be the students decision either way.

 

[Iamback]

It proves clubs go well beyond their boundaries to find talent, that’s what it proves. All this nonsense about jnr numbers in a clubs actual region is over rated. Clubs are scouting and forming partnerships far and wide.

Not really, local is better in most cases.

Take this school, They will attend the schoolboy tournaments and if a QLD club team wants them they will go there

 

[MugaB]

It proves clubs go well beyond their boundaries to find talent, that’s what it proves. All this nonsense about jnr numbers in a clubs actual region is over rated. Clubs are scouting and forming partnerships far and wide.

Correct, but that cant be the ONLY thing to be realied upon, either way WA is gonna need both

 

[Perth Red]

NRL Expansion: The Path To 20 Teams

As the National Rugby League’s purported plans to grow continue to gather steam, WILL EVANS charts the premiership’s expansion history, the factors impacting the addition of more teams and the leading candidates for new franchises. Stay tuned for Ministry of Sport’s upcoming series of articles focusing on each potential bid.

The dust is still settling on the introductory season of the NRL’s newest club, the Dolphins, but the identity of the competition’s impending 18th team – and potentially a 19th and 20th – remains one of rugby league’s biggest talking points.

After years of stalling in the face of a handful of compelling Queensland-based franchise bids during the 2010s, Peter V’landys’ arrival as Australian Rugby League Commission chairman put aggressive expansion back on the NRL’s agenda.

Despite the uncertainty of a post-COVID world, V’landys rubberstamped the Dolphins’ inclusion in late-2021. Further expansion has rarely been far from the news cycles since.

The NRL’s current television rights deal ends in 2027, though a new franchise could be fast-tracked to enter as early as 2026. Adding another team – and consequently an extra game each weekend – obviously provides far greater value to broadcasters and more bargaining power to the NRL.

The Daily Telegraph reported in March that the ARLC intends to expand to 20 teams by 2032, the year (coincidentally or not) Brisbane will host the Olympic Games.

The gung-ho approach of PVL and his cohorts is infectious, but rapid expansion has burnt the game in the past.

The dilution of elite playing talent, with around 30 players of first-grade standard require to fill an NRL roster, and a loss of competitive parity – one of the NRL’s calling cards over the past 25 years – are genuine concerns.

Financial viability is no guarantee, while some of the more hotly tipped bids are located in far-flung locations that would present unprecedented logistical challenges.

The NRL’s existing clubs have also made noises about having a say on when and where expansion occurs.


In what would quite possibly be the most unique, ambitious and controversial venture in the history of Australian sports, a Papua New Guinea/Pasifika bid – with the team based in either Port Moresby or Cairns – is entangled with geopolitical manoeuvring. The Australian government will reportedly tip in funds for the team’s establishment to ward off China’s growing influence in the Pacific.

Another hot expansion favourite, Perth’s first crack in the premiership was brought undone by bad timing as much as anything. But matches taken to the Western Australian capital continue to draw healthy crowds, there’s no shortage of cashed-up investors ready to get behind a team and WA’s time zone is another attractive factor for the NRL.

V’landys and NRL CEO Andrew Abdo have publicly pushed the barrow of another team based in New Zealand – and the Warriors’ 2023 renaissance, along with rugby union’s stagnation, has only strengthened the case. A Wellington-based bid failed in the mid-2000s and remains a chance, but a South Island bid – with a team based in Christchurch, where an inner-city covered stadium is currently being constructed – is in its formative stages and is shaping as the best chance of a second club being situated across the Tasman.

The way the Dolphins have been embraced suggests a third team in Brisbane could very much be on the cards. Brisbane Tigers, who were behind the unsuccessful Firehawks bid, have already publicly declared their intention to vie to become the 18th franchise. The Jets also have not given up hope. A strong Rockhampton-based Central Queensland bid faded out of the picture in recent years but could resurface.

A wildcard in the mix, North Sydney Bears have kept a high profile in their push for reinclusion – which would have to come via teaming up with another bid (with Perth and New Zealand strongly mooted as potential partners), with the hope of playing some home games at North Sydney Oval to sate their purported 220,000-strong fanbase.

We’ll run the rule over each of prospective NRL entrants’ credentials over the next few months.

edited full version in link:

https://ministryofsport.com/nrl-exp...wzxxV5VnCs69OhAsL3KAdmdzjeE2jdcC-ik0jet5f**kM

 

[Wb1234]

They will have announced the two new teams for the next tv deal

so even if Perth isn’t starting right away the 19th team will be factored into the tv rights deal

20 teams still leave a 3rd Brisbane side and Adelaide to come in once the new expansion teams are embedded in

the biggest advantage to 1995 is the funding model of the grant being five million over the cap ….every new club is off to a flyer

plus the arlc playing travel and associated costs

I think the arlc will look past just being number one in australia (pretty much already in the bag) to being number one in the South Pacific

once that is achieved they will look to expand the game globally genuinely including potentially takeing over super league and turning it into nrl mark 2

 

[mongoose]

Brisbane 2 was low hanging fruit for the NRL, any administrator could have brought them in and it would have looked like a success. Team 18 will really test V'landys and Abdo. Perth, PNG and NZ2 all present big challenges for different reasons. Brisbane 3 could be a safe bet if they just want another club who will be financially sustainable from day 1 but it's not exactly expansion is it? Central QLD is a non-starter.

Maybe we'll see a Sydney club relocate. Could the NRL offer the Tigers or Magpies a huge carrot to split from the joint venture and move cities?

 

[Iamback]

Brisbane 2 was low hanging fruit for the NRL, any administrator could have brought them in and it would have looked like a success. Team 18 will really test V'landys and Abdo. Perth, PNG and NZ2 all present big challenges for different reasons. Brisbane 3 could be a safe bet if they just want another club who will be financially sustainable from day 1 but it's not exactly expansion is it? Central QLD is a non-starter.

Maybe we'll see a Sydney club relocate. Could the NRL offer the Tigers or Magpies a huge carrot to split from the joint venture and move cities?

More content is expansion, so it still counts for me it depends what is happening below the NRL.

That is more important, Dolphins showed you can be competitive from day 1. How you replace guys once they retire is the issue for me atm

 

[flippikat]

How do you stop Penrith winning competitions?

It all depends on how they manage contract re-negotiations, as players' value on the market increases with winning premierships - but that's usually not realized until the contract is up.

The challenge is knowing when to let a player go, and having some kind of affordable option ready to pick up that role in the squad, if they move elsewhere to cash-in on their earning potential elsewhere.

I'd be interested to know the contract expiry dates breakdown of the current Panthers squad, because that'd be our best guide to when their squad management gets tested.

 

[flippikat]

Brisbane 2 was low hanging fruit for the NRL, any administrator could have brought them in and it would have looked like a success. Team 18 will really test V'landys and Abdo. Perth, PNG and NZ2 all present big challenges for different reasons. Brisbane 3 could be a safe bet if they just want another club who will be financially sustainable from day 1 but it's not exactly expansion is it? Central QLD is a non-starter.

Maybe we'll see a Sydney club relocate. Could the NRL offer the Tigers or Magpies a huge carrot to split from the joint venture and move cities?

If the next 3 are indeed Perth, Brisbane 3 and NZ 2 which gets us to 20 (which are the obvious 3 strongest), it really raises a dilemma for the NRL when considering anything beyond that.

How soon after 20 teams could (or SHOULD) the NRL expand again?

 

[Perth Red]

If the next 3 are indeed Perth, Brisbane 3 and NZ 2 which gets us to 20 (which are the obvious 3 strongest), it really raises a dilemma for the NRL when considering anything beyond that.

How soon after 20 teams could (or SHOULD) the NRL expand again?

One issue is once you get past 18 teams you start to run into tv slot problems. That will mean lower tv value for any content increase. Sure we could bring Back Thursday night but who wants that? After 20 you’re really in simu cast of games territory.

End of day it costs nrl each new club brought in, not just in grant but also running costs and the development and participation pathways needed to generate more players. I’ll be surprised if we go past 18 before 2032 tbh.

 

[Iamback]

It all depends on how they manage contract re-negotiations, as players' value on the market increases with winning premierships - but that's usually not realized until the contract is up.

The challenge is knowing when to let a player go, and having some kind of affordable option ready to pick up that role in the squad, if they move elsewhere to cash-in on their earning potential elsewhere.

I'd be interested to know the contract expiry dates breakdown of the current Panthers squad, because that'd be our best guide to when their squad management gets tested.

The main guys aside from Luai are locked down until 2027

 

[bad boy bubby]

One issue is once you get past 18 teams you start to run into tv slot problems

I thought about this recently and realised why Matt Johns is against a WA team. That 6pm timeslot takes away his programme until 8-8.30pm on a Sunday. His ratings could fall.
For me personally, it makes me a strong advocate to have the 6pm Sunday game even more!
But I'm not the highest paid character on Fox.

 

[flippikat]

The main guys aside from Luai are locked down until 2027

Then the biggest threats to Penrith are losing their own mental sharpness & the wildcard that is injuries.

If they stay united, focused, motivated & fit - good God they could just keep going on to 2027 at least.