2023 Origin II - Wed 21 Jun - QLD 32-6 NSW @ Suncorp

[Reflector]

Slater is doing well, but like Mal Meninga ( who also had Smith, Slater, Cronk and Inglis) he has a very simple task: 1) play to a simple plan with everyone playing their role on field and 2)Tap into the myth of HuRdUr, KwEeNsLaNdAh to excite the feebly minded excitable types.

It's no great mystery or myth as to why Qld places such weight on origin and why so many NSW fanbases don't.

Would you prefer to see your club win a premiership or your state win origin? If origin is your priority you're the victim of media hype and the fallacy of a non existent inferiority complex built on supposed wrongdoing of the past that in reality was Qld players being happy to head south for a few dollars.

You’re also forgetting that the NRL has it in for Qld and devotes all their time and resources to trying to ensure they have a bad time following sport...

 

[This Year?]

Congrats to the players that have made the NSW side. Whether deserved or not, they have the opportunity of a lifetime.
Do us proud!

 

[Tweed Titan]

Mitch "flat track" Moses is Fittler's token WTF selection for this game.

Also showing off his peak IQ with a specialist outside back as 18th man. Clearly Burton or Hynes would give us more options there if activated then Crichton.

 

[Reflector]

Not the first time Freddy’s selections have made me go WTF, but on a number of those past occasions his choices were vindicated.

Freddy has coached for more consecutive series than any other coach in Origin history besides Mal, and let’s face it, Mal’s role was effectively a paid holiday by the QRL every winter in exchange for making a few speeches to the media. He coached that team as much as Fatty did. In Freddy’s case, NSW winning Game 2, even winning the series, shouldn’t be the pass mark. The team has to play well in both games for him to justify staying on past this series.

NSW has an abundance of great current/ emerging players and burning this series would be a price I am happy to pay if it means getting a coach in who picks the best available players in their positions and focuses on the basics. Do those, and the Blues should enjoy the majority of Origin success for the next decade.

 

[King-Gutho94]

So out of the 13 NSW players that played for Australia in the WC last year.

Only 6 of them are in the Origin team.

Injury & Retirement has ruled out a few.

But compared to QLD all 11 players who went to WC for Australia are in the QLD team.

Says a lot really.

 

[King-Gutho94]

Fittler is a hipster dufus man child and coaching NSW is like a hobby to him.

I don't like Slater but he's a smart guy who is showing up how bad Fittler is.

Bennett & Slater have made Freddy look like an A-Grade dope.

Freddy's 3 series wins - 2 of them came up against Kevvie Walters in his first 2 years where Kevvie didnt have Adam Reynolds at his disposal to run the QLD team.

 

[Captain Apollo]

If you think because of his public utterances Fittler is a "hipster dufus man child" then you really do not know much about aspects of coaching. You should go back and do some history study and see how many people criticised Jack Gibson for his "whacky, unconventional" strategies, tactics and training methods when he was coaching.

When he coached at Souths, he was criticised for playing a defensive game plan and not the "Souths way" of attacking football, despite the squad having a good pack but little quality in the backs outside of Terry Fahey. There were plenty who criticised him when at the Roosters for his obsession with tackle counts, and his use of Nautilus Machines for strength building. Thing is he got his players to buy in.

I don't have a problem with people criticising Fittler based on results, or his selections, but on a "hipster dufus" angle is such a load of manure. I mean if being articulate in public makes you the greatest coaches of all time, then Alan Jones would be the gold standard of coach in league and in union by that theorem.

 

[Tweed Titan]

I agree the 2020 and 2022 losses (and the last 10 minutes of game 1 2023) were phenominal failures that paint a picture of a coach that can't take advantage of having more talented players and/or the game situation and momentum in his favour.

Was it Fittler's idea to run the clogged toilet offense last game with Luai and Cleary getting in each others way on the same side of the field or was that on them?

We also tend to run a lot of one-out middle hit ups that Queensland just eat up (last game notwithstanding). We also lack good runs on the edges and we run a lot diagonally towards the sideline which means our centres and wingers tend to run out of space - there isn't enough change of direction with unders runs etc.

Also Teddy pass the f*cking ball sometimes in this game please. The centres and wingers wouldn't mind a touch every now and then.

 

[some11]

Would you prefer to see your club win a premiership or your state win origin?

Haha I never got this. It's not binary you can have both.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

1. James Tedesco Would rather Edwards but eh
2. Brian Too
3. Latrell Mitchell
4. Tom Trbojevic
5. Josh Addo-Carr
6. Jarome Luai Cody Walker
7. Mitchell Moses AReyn
8. Junior Paulo
9. Damien Cook
10. Payne Haas
11. Tyson Frizell
12. Hudson Young Liam Martin
13. Isaah Yeo
14. Stefano Utoikamanu RCG
15. Cameron Murray
16. Liam Martin Spencer Nutcase
17. Reece Robson I’m ok with this, sprinting on sand is tiring work

 

[mxlegend99]

Poor Campbell Graham. Apparently you don't have to be fit enough to participate at every NSW training session to play now.

Robbed of his Game 1 jersey.

Mitchell, Murray and Martin all know their roles and trained for Game 1. It's not ideal that they can't train. But they have a hell of a lot of big game experience and are worth the gamble tbh.

Graham can't miss every training session and make his debut playing with injury. That's not fair on him or the team. Odds would be stacked against him and it probably puts him as a one and done like Staggs was.

Pick him when fully fit and able to train. He can probably buy that sort of faith for following series and make that jersey permanently his own

 

[mongoose]

If you think because of his public utterances Fittler is a "hipster dufus man child" then you really do not know much about aspects of coaching. You should go back and do some history study and see how many people criticised Jack Gibson for his "whacky, unconventional" strategies, tactics and training methods when he was coaching.

When he coached at Souths, he was criticised for playing a defensive game plan and not the "Souths way" of attacking football, despite the squad having a good pack but little quality in the backs outside of Terry Fahey. There were plenty who criticised him when at the Roosters for his obsession with tackle counts, and his use of Nautilus Machines for strength building. Thing is he got his players to buy in.

I don't have a problem with people criticising Fittler based on results, or his selections, but on a "hipster dufus" angle is such a load of manure. I mean if being articulate in public makes you the greatest coaches of all time, then Alan Jones would be the gold standard of coach in league and in union by that theorem.

thank you for defending the "hipster dufus's" - they get a bad rap

 

[Exsilium]

Not sure if anyone is aware but there is a script that must be followed.

NSW surge back to level the series.

Viewership and coverage explodes for Origin III with Pashun prevailing.

 

[The Man Shake]

Mitchell Moses…oh my lordy I can’t breathe…someone help me…oh have mercy here I go…

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You might as well complete Wittyfan’s wet dream and throw Lachlan Ilias in that team for the ultimate all style no substance halves pairing.

Queensland by 50.

Omg here I go again…

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Port Stephens Magpie]

Moses to get MOTM

You f**king imbecile! Hahaha. He'll choke like he always does in big games. Reynolds & Walker should've been picked.

 

[Saxon]

Absolutely loving Freddie's team.

But I'm a Queenslander so take that for what it's worth.

 

[Maximus]

Uto is a crazy selection. Barely has the motor to play 40 minutes at club level let alone an origin decider at Suncorp.

With Freddy's inability to use a bench properly, that won't matter much when he only gets 25 mins.

 

[Marshall_magic]

this list is a combination of selections that were either never going to work, or horribly misusing a player. Freddy’s problem as a coach is he tries to prove he’s an amazing coach by doing outlandish things, compare this to Mal in Qlds golden era where he just stuck to what worked. Had Fittler been in charge of a team that good he would have stuffed around with his selections.

Had we had a coach like Hasler from 2018 we would probably be shooting for 6 straight, instead we are looking at splitting those 6 series 3/3.

 

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[SLRBRONCOS]

Not another KleinKampf and Pubekins tag-team