Andrew Johns vs Darren Lockyer

[Loudstrat]

Johns.

But Brett Kenny sh*ts over both of them.

Bert - the best post war pivot by a metric mile!

LOL Atleast Daley never lost an origin series 3-0 to a bunch of no names like Fitler did. Come to think of it Johns was involved in that debacle as well.

Daley was more effective at origin than Fittler ever was.

Toolie?

The same Toolie that promised that he'd never again play in the ARL and then played 78 more games? :lol:

 

[roopy]

lol i could name atleast 30 centres better than matt 'flick pass' gidley.

Go on.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

LOL Atleast Daley never lost an origin series 3-0 to a bunch of no names like Fitler did. Come to think of it Johns was involved in that debacle as well.

Daley was more effective at origin than Fittler ever was.

Come to think of it, didn't Daley sell out for a quick buck?

Ah yeah, that's right.

 

[Angry_eel]

Ben Kusto

 

[keeney]

Man what is this, off season 2004 again? Why is this overplayed stupid poll back?

It's strange how back then these polls would be dead even and there would be a buttload of bitching. Seems a few years hindsight has vindicated the true champion.

 

[Red Bear]

Johns comfortably.

Which is no slight really on Lockyer, because he has still been a very good player. If he'd stayed at fullback the arguement would probably be better for him IMO as his defence as a fullback was fine, whilst his attack was obviously very good(altho i still prefer timmy brasher to him).

Johns is a better organiser, better kicking game and has not had the luxury of so many good players around him that Lockyer has, in fact as shown when comparing Newcastle with and without Johns he made a lot of mediocre players look very good.

Added to this is the fact that Johns never needed a lock to run around and protect him in defense. Johns tackled like a second rower. There was a great moment last season in the semi where Brisbane got knocked out by Melbourne, Lockyer rushed up on the storm player and allowed the overlap to develop which lead to that last try. Its those little things, 1%'ers that seperate Johns from Lockyer, he would've read the play better than that which could have prevented the player.

From players i've seen it has to be
Johns>Fittler>Lockyer

 

[adamkungl]

From players i've seen it has to be
Johns>Fittler>Lockyer

Bias aside....I agree

 

[KHunt]

Brad Fittler.

And Fittler on his worst day was still better than Daley on his best.

I always wanted to hear the Fittler vs Daley debate.. Roosters fans will no doubt say Fittler is better and Canberra fans will no doubt say Lawrence was better. Even if Daley was better, I'd rather be in the trenches for Fittler for pretty much one reason. Fittler was loyal to the ARL, Daley went off to SL.

 

[KHunt]

Johns comfortably.

Which is no slight really on Lockyer, because he has still been a very good player. If he'd stayed at fullback the arguement would probably be better for him IMO as his defence as a fullback was fine, whilst his attack was obviously very good(altho i still prefer timmy brasher to him).

Johns is a better organiser, better kicking game and has not had the luxury of so many good players around him that Lockyer has, in fact as shown when comparing Newcastle with and without Johns he made a lot of mediocre players look very good.

Added to this is the fact that Johns never needed a lock to run around and protect him in defense. Johns tackled like a second rower. There was a great moment last season in the semi where Brisbane got knocked out by Melbourne, Lockyer rushed up on the storm player and allowed the overlap to develop which lead to that last try. Its those little things, 1%'ers that seperate Johns from Lockyer, he would've read the play better than that which could have prevented the player.

From players i've seen it has to be
Johns>Fittler>Lockyer

I think Johns said in his book that playing hooker in origin (being a hooker in defense and first receiver in attack) made him a better player.

 

[tiger_nick]

Did you ever watch a Knights game ?
No actually channel 9 would comment on the brilliance of insert winger and Gidley would get little mention for setting up tries
Gidley was our best outside back which is a good effort considering the quality we had from 1998 to 2004 his defensive reading was good and his tackling was decent.
I've seen him play more then you have and the bloke was a great player

yes but you also probably dont think buderus should have gone to england in 2006 instead of hanging around pretending to still be a decent player.

no coincidence that the knights are on fire as soon as he leaves and they get a good dummy half again.

 

[typicalfan]

maybe if daley hadnt been to busy stabbing the game in the back he could have been there to help.

that has nothing to do with playing ability does it?

Laurie Daley made a painful off field mistake, but was still a fraction better imo. Only in Laurie Daley's absence did Fittler reach honours of NSW 5/8 and captain.

 

[Jason Maher]

Different positions, and both are out and out champions, so in many ways a pointless comparison. If push came to shove, I'd nominate Lockyer. To my mind, the best player I have seen.

 

[mongoose]

that has nothing to do with playing ability does it?

Laurie Daley made a painful off field mistake, but was still a fraction better imo. Only in Laurie Daley's absence did Fittler reach honours of NSW 5/8 and captain.

Daley stayed loyal to his club. If he had stayed with ARL he would have been signed by the dragons or manly for probably bigger money than he got at the raiders.

 

[Loudstrat]

Fittler stayed loyal too. Don't forget that Penrith jumped ship when Freddy was in Test camp - and no one bothered to tell him.

Fittler stayed loyal after he retired too. Daley suddenly became interested in the Dragons. Interesting that Davied Furner, the ONE Raider to stay with the ARL, is still with the Raiders, after Meninga, Clyde, Stuart and Daley pissed off elsewhere.

 

[Jason Maher]

lol i could name atleast 30 centres better than matt 'flick pass' gidley.

I'm guessing one of them would be Mary "Flick pass" McGregor? He was doing what Gidley did 5+ years before Gidley got all the credit for it.

 

[Loudstrat]

Who ripped it off Steve "Zip Zip" Ella.....

 

[Jason Maher]

And who did Ella steal it from?

 

[Brimmer]

Johns might be a better football player but Lockyer has the better singing voice.

 

[typicalfan]

I still remember SOO game 2 in 2005, the last series NSW has won!

Coming off a golden point loss, we throw in Johns who is a match in after getting a broken jaw and absolutely destroys QLD Lockyer included. And repeats the dose in QLD in game 3. Apart from Lewis I haven't seen anyone do that. Not only that but he does it with Braith Anasta at 5/8, although you could have thrown anyone in at 5/8 it wouldn't have mattered.

 

[herbert henry1908]

that has nothing to do with playing ability does it?

Laurie Daley made a painful off field mistake, but was still a fraction better imo. Only in Laurie Daley's absence did Fittler reach honours of NSW 5/8 and captain.

no , and clearly the statement wasnt meant to read that way either.

I was simply pointing out that whilst fittler may have lost the series 3-0 , at least he was there putting in the effort.

Fittler imo was better becuase he was a leader in much weaker teams than daley ever played in. Daley played most of his career surrounded by superstars. The two things that really seperate them though is that fittler was a better defensive player and he played most of his career injury free.