Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

[Wb1234]

Grotd made the point ages back and I’ve come to agree with it

the nswrl and qrl should’ve merged

not create the broncos but admit clubs like valleys easts redcliffe and the jets

origin is the jewel for rugby league

on top of everything else they do, more qld teams makes origin stronger by lessening the difference in clubs between nsw and qld

 

[Perth Red]

Australian Bureau of Statistics

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According to the web search results, the Australian city that had the most net interstate migration in the year ending March 2021 was Brisbane, with a net gain of 13,000 people⁶. This means that more people moved to Brisbane from other states than moved out of Brisbane to other states. Brisbane was followed by Perth, with a net gain of 3,500 people⁶. Sydney and Melbourne had the largest net losses of 31,600 and 26,100 people respectively⁶.​

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Source: Conversation with Bing, 8/12/2023​

(1) Net migration to the regions highest on record. https://www.abs.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/net-migration-regions-highest-record.​

(2) Regional internal migration estimates, provisional, March 2021. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/p...igration-estimates-provisional/latest-release.​

(3) Migration, Australia - Australian Bureau of Statistics. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/migration-australia/latest-release.​

(4) Provisional Regional Internal Migration Estimates (PRIME), March 2021. https://population.gov.au/data-and-...onal-internal-migration-estimates-prime-march.​

(5) Where are people moving to, and from, in Australia? Find out with our .... https://www.theguardian.com/news/da...to-and-from-in-australia-2021-census-data-abs.​

(6) Up 347pc: Australia’s biggest internal migration magnets revealed. https://www.realestate.com.au/news/up-347pc-australias-biggest-internal-migration-magnets-revealed/.​

For that data to be reliable to the hypothesis you'd need to know which states the migrants where from and numbers from each state.
Also net gain or loss doesnt speak to how many and from where people are moving interstate. So Melbourne might have lost 10k to Perth and gained 5k from Sydney etc. If Perth's gains where from NSW and Qlnd thats obviously better for RL interest than if they were from Vic or SA and so it goes on.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

and they don't get a 17 million annual grant either, not even close to that. So stop using that bullshit argument.

Which means an NRL club needs to generate $8-23m from football operations.

The operating budgeting for an NBL team is between $1.5-2.3m per annum. Roughly the cost of fielding a team in the Queensland Cup.

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The operating budget for an NBL team is not a fixed amount, but it depends on several factors, such as the salary cap, the number of players, the marquee players, the staff, the travel expenses, the marketing, and the revenue. Based on the web search results, here are some estimates of the operating budget for an NBL team:

- The salary cap for each team is $AU1.1 million as a 'soft cap' with marquee players able to be paid amounts that will exceed that amount for the team³. The NBL set its 2021-22 cap ceiling at $1,637,893.94, while teams must pay players at least $1,474,104.55¹. These figures will rise by four percent for the next season, the ceiling at $1,703,239.36 and the floor at $1,533,068.73¹. Each team must have at least eleven players plus at least one development player¹.
- The staff costs for an NBL team can vary depending on the size and quality of the coaching, medical, and administrative staff. A rough estimate of the staff costs for an NBL team is around $500,000 per season².
- The travel expenses for an NBL team can also vary depending on the distance and frequency of the games, the accommodation, and the transportation. A rough estimate of the travel expenses for an NBL team is around $300,000 per season².
- The marketing costs for an NBL team can depend on the level of promotion, sponsorship, and fan engagement. A rough estimate of the marketing costs for an NBL team is around $200,000 per season².
- The revenue for an NBL team can come from various sources, such as ticket sales, merchandise, broadcasting rights, and sponsorship deals. A rough estimate of the revenue for an NBL team is around $2 million per season².

Therefore, the operating budget for an NBL team can be calculated by adding the salary cap, the staff costs, the travel expenses, and the marketing costs, and subtracting the revenue. Using the estimates above, the operating budget for an NBL team can range from $1.5 million to $2.3 million per season, depending on the salary cap and the revenue. However, these are only rough estimates and the actual operating budget for an NBL team may differ significantly.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 8/12/2023
(1) National Basketball League (Australia) - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_League_(Australia).
(2) Andrew Bogut reveals how financials work in Australian Basketball League. https://basketnews.com/news-173248-...als-work-in-australian-basketball-league.html.
(3) Every NBL teams total spend for 2022-23 season - ESPN. https://www.espn.com.au/nbl/story/_/id/36175408/every-nbl-teams-total-spend-2022-23-season.​

Adelaide and Perth cannot afford to field a team in the Queensland Cup.

 

[Perth Red]

Adelaide and Perth cannot afford to field a team in the Queensland Cup.

How many Qlnd cup teams dont have pokies? Sadly no ones interested in watching Qlnd cup so as a revenue generator its a non starter.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Wookiee link shows how pathetic the Melbourne ratings are

and Perth won’t be close to the storm in terms of success

The Storm's ratings in Melbourne would be less if they weren't camped in the top four every year. The expansionists refuse to acknowledge this very important fact.

 

[Perth Red]

The Storm's ratings in Melbourne would be less if they weren't camped in the top four every year. The expansionists refuse to acknowledge this very important fact.

and they would be better if the ARLC was better at growing our game. c'est la vie

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

For that data to be reliable to the hypothesis you'd need to know which states the migrants where from and numbers from each state.
Also net gain or loss doesnt speak to how many and from where people are moving interstate. So Melbourne might have lost 10k to Perth and gained 5k from Sydney etc. If Perth's gains where from NSW and Qlnd thats obviously better for RL interest than if they were from Vic or SA and so it goes on.

More bullshit from Perth Red.

Go back a page and see the other post that contained data on where the migrants have come from since 1980.

I'll repost it here so you cannot pretend to have not seen it.

Brisbane has been the go to place for Australians since 1980.

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According to the web search results, the Australian city that has attracted the most interstate emigrants since 1980 is Brisbane, with a cumulative net gain of 436,000 people from 1981 to 2020¹. This means that more people moved to Brisbane from other states than moved out of Brisbane to other states over this period. Brisbane was followed by Perth, with a cumulative net gain of 269,000 people¹. Sydney and Melbourne had the largest cumulative net losses of 1,057,000 and 316,000 people respectively¹.

Some possible additional sentences are:

- The main reasons for interstate migration in Australia are employment, lifestyle, education, family, and housing affordability².
- Interstate migration patterns have changed over time, reflecting the economic and social conditions of different regions³. For example, the mining boom in Western Australia attracted many interstate workers in the early 2010s, while the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 reduced the mobility of people across state borders².
- Interstate migration also affects the distribution of population growth, ageing, diversity, and electoral representation in Australia³. For instance, Queensland gained two additional seats in the House of Representatives in 2019 due to its high population growth from interstate migration⁴.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 8/12/2023
(1) Migration, Australia - Australian Bureau of Statistics. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/migration-australia/latest-release.
(2) Regional internal migration estimates, provisional, March 2021. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/p...igration-estimates-provisional/latest-release.
(3) Why do people move? - Population. https://population.gov.au/sites/population.gov.au/files/2021-09/why_do_people_move_a_quick_guide.pdf.
(4) Migration, Australia - Australian Bureau of Statistics. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/migration-australia/2017-18.​

 

[Perth Red]

sweet jesus, Wb has discovered twitter and Donkey has discovered AI. This is going to be a long off season!

That basically says exactly same as last one lol. Tell me where the people are moving from and to then it will have more meaning in the context of your argument. How many of the Brisbane migrants are from AFL states? How many of the Melbourne and Perth migrants are from RL states?

At least my hypothesis that interest in the sports is directly related to the investment made by each code has some basis for fact in regards to the investment amounts both codes have made in the respective cities.

Geez people dont like living in Sydney do they lol

 

[Wb1234]

and they would be better if the ARLC was better at growing our game. c'est la vie

So if you are right about the arlc Perth will be a waste of time until the arlc change

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

and they would be better if the ARLC was better at growing our game. c'est la vie

There's no evidence that throwing money at junior development will lead to more Victorians watching the NRL. It's a bullshit claim that cannot be substantiated. Pretty much all of your arguments are based on assumptions and logical fallacies. It's why your vision isn't shared by the ARLC.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

sweet jesus, Wb has discovered twitter and Donkey has discovered AI. This is going to be a long off season!

That basically says exactly same as last one lol. Tell me where the people are moving from and too then it will have more meaning in the context of your argument.

It showed that Sydney and Melbourne had the largest cumulative net losses, with Brisbane having the most net gain. You don't have to be a genius to realise that most of them went to Brisbane.

 

[Perth Red]

So if you are right about the arlc Perth will be a waste of time until the arlc change

I think you are pushing a boulder up hill and unlikely to gain max returns if you dont have strategy and investment to go alongside a top club entry into a new market.

 

[Perth Red]

There's no evidence that throwing money at junior development will lead to more Victorians watching the NRL. It's a bullshit claim that cannot be substantiated. Pretty much all of your arguments are based on assumptions and logical fallacies. It's why your vision isn't shared by the ARLC.

Its not just jnr investment, thats just one piece of the puzzle. Participation, media influence, govt influence, marketing, tv covergae etc all play a part as well. But yeh Im sure your right, spending 5 times as much doing those things is unlikely to reap any rewards, why would it lol

 

[Wb1234]

I think you are pushing a boulder up hill and unlikely to gain max returns if you dont have strategy and investment to go alongside a top club entry into a new market.

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it’s all downhill baby

 

[Perth Red]

It showed that Sydney and Melbourne had the largest cumulative net losses, with Brisbane having the most net gain. You don't have to be a genius to realise that most of them went to Brisbane.

now your just guessing, maybe 90% where from the Sydney's net loss? maybe they were nearly all from Melbourne? tell me that and you'll prove your argument.

But you are making a very good case for a Perth NRl club lol

 

[Perth Red]

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it’s all downhill baby

lol

 

[Wb1234]

Rugby league expansion into vicotoria

tv ratings average 40k
Home crowds 15k

total 55k
Vic. Population 6.8 million

rugby league fans 0.0079

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Its not just jnr investment, thats just one piece of the puzzle. Participation, media influence, govt influence, marketing etc all play a part as well. But yeh Im sure your right, spending 5 times as much doing those things is unlikely to reap any rewards, why would it lol

So I was right when I said you expect rugby league fans from Queensland and New South Wales to fund expansion in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.

You know that the majority of the NRL's revenue is provided by fans from Queensland and NSW. Not only do you want Queenslanders and New South Welshmen to fund your crazy pipedream, you wish to deprive the former of having a third team in the world's second largest rugby league city because you think their resources (money and players) should be handed to Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth on a silver platter.

I'm beginning to think you have a personality disorder.

 

[Perth Red]

So I was right when I said you expect rugby league fans from Queensland and New South Wales to fund expansion in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.

You know that the majority of the NRL's revenue is provided by fans from Queensland and NSW. Not only do you want Queenslanders and New South Welshmen to fund your crazy pipedream, you wish to deprive the former of having a third team in the world's second largest rugby league city because you think their resources (money and players) should be handed to Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth on a silver platter.

I'm beginning to think you have a personality disorder.

I have no idea what you are talking about lol

NRL, some multi millionaire owners, RL fans in WA, WA govt and some companies will fund a WA NRL club.

2's enough, 3's just being greedy and selfish.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

now your just guessing, maybe 90% where from the Sydney's net loss? maybe they were nearly all from Melbourne? tell me that and you'll prove your argument.

But you are making a very good case for a Perth NRl club lol

If 90% are from NSW then it boosts the case for a third NRL team in Brisbane. It also makes it a no brainer to keep Magic Round in The River City and tell the WA Gov to go f**k itself.