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Here we go.......again.

bottle

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Courtesy of a link provided by El Diablo on the main forum

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/fallout-from-doping-probe-has-potential-to-drag-on-for-years-20130311-2fwcy.html
Fallout from doping probe has potential to drag on for years

Date
March 11, 2013

Roy Masters
Rugby League Columnist

The Cronulla players suspected of drug violations are likely to be still playing all season, while guilty members of the Sharks football department could be banned for life.

NRL rules allow a player who has not tested positive to a drug test to continue playing until his case is heard but any premiership points earned from wins, while he is a member of the team, are eventually stripped, should he eventually be found guilty.

The AFL have the same rule, meaning the drugs saga affecting both codes has the potential for a team on the eve of the grand final to lose its points and forced to forfeit.

Given the task faced by ASADA of six investigators interviewing more than 150 players at a minimum of six NRL and AFL clubs, it will take more than a year to complete the probe into players, support staff and club officials and lay charges before penalties are given.

Fourteen Sharks players have indicated they will contest the charge of using drugs but if eventually found guilty, are likely to be suspended for two years.

However, "support staff" under ASADA rules, meaning coaches, trainers, masseurs, club doctors, face bans of eight years to life, even if the use of the drug was deemed inadvertent. Given that support staff are mature people in a position of responsibility, they are treated more harshly under the WADA code.

Insofar as there is evidence needles were used in the Sharks' dressing room, it would be difficult to escape conviction on a plea of inadvertent use.

The action by the Cronulla board in sacking or standing down five members of the Sharks' football department reflects the seriousness with which they interpret the WADA/ASADA view of the duty of care of support staff.

No doubt the Sharks board took this action to exculpate themselves from guilt but they have a responsibility to the members who elected them. It could take five years but eventually, if Cronulla as a club is deemed guilty, it may lose its NRL licence. Even if the NRL chose not to take any action against the Sharks club, WADA can challenge the decision.

Perhaps one reason why the Sharks board recommended its 14 players take early guilty pleas and accept six month bans was the disruption to the club and the league over premiership points lost through fielding guilty players.

WADA does allow sports the discretion of not immediately standing down players suspected of a doping offence, in the absence of a positive test. Given the massive scale of the involvement of so many players and clubs in both codes, it seems inevitable the rule will eventually be changed.

The drugs saga threatens to be a protracted one because ASADA is under-resourced. A standard interview involves two ASADA staffers quizzing a player/official, often three times. Transcripts of the interview are then prepared.

ASADA usually have six investigations running simultaneously, sometimes simply the import of a steroid assigned to a sub district rugby union player.

Now they have an enquiry embroiling Australia's two dominant winter football codes. Protocol is very important to ASADA but I suspect the scale of the potential doping breaches meant they created a short circuit step in the Sharks probe.

Their standard procedure is to prepare evidence, record the interviews and make a recommendation to an independent Anti Doping Rule Violation Board which then hears the case and determines penalty, or, in the case of Cronulla, the relevant body issuing sanctions is the NRL doping panel. In other words, the investigators can't determine penalty.

The suspect player's club does not become involved in the process, right up to charges being laid, unless he gives ASADA permission.

Yet ASADA has already met with the NRL and Sharks and nominated 14 players potentially guilty. This is a breach of standard procedure, unless ASADA were tabling evidence to Cronulla of a general, not specific to any individual player nature. Under the Act, ASADA can't lay an individual charge.

The Sharks are first up because ASADA clearly have a whistleblower.

A support staffer, normally facing eight years to life, can have his ban discounted to 12 months, if he fully co-operates with ASADA, via its "substantial assistance" clause.
 

Madsharkie

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That story was phucked until the third last paragraph. So he's saying they can't lay charges because they buggered the process??
 

bottle

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Madsharkie said:
That story was phucked until the third last paragraph. So he's saying they can't lay charges because they buggered the process??
No, that's not it.
He's saying that IF they have engaged in a particular action they have breached standard procedure.
The thing is, nobody knows what action they have taken, or what particular matters they have presented to the board.
 
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Too many threads to choose from so back to one of the originals we go...

Today's 7.30 report:

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3715050.htm


Aussie sport doping details emerge as Government responds
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Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 13/03/2013
Reporter: Caro Meldrum-Hanna
More details of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority's investigation have come to light as the Cronulla Sharks rugby league club's Chairman steps down and the Government commits extra money to combat drugs in sport.

Transcript
LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: Today the drugs in sport saga claimed another scalp at the Cronulla Sharks Rugby League Club - this time its chairman. At the same time, the Government has announced the anti-doping agency will commit additional investigators to question players. Up until now the man at the centre of the doping allegations has been Steve Dank, a biochemist employed by NRL and AFL clubs to administer supplements to their players. But he also had an assistant who up until now has remained nameless. Caro Meldrum-Hanna has the story.

CARO MELDRUM-HANNA, REPORTER: Another day, another casualty at the Cronulla Sharks.

DAMIAN IRVINE, FMR CHAIRMAN, CRONULLA SHARKS: I'm standing down as chairman from the board and of the board of directors today. The club needs some time to investigate and plan the way forward without added distraction and emotion.

CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: This time the axe has fallen on chairman Damian Irvine. Last Friday the Sharks suspended their coach and sacked four senior staff amidst an insider investigation into the use of performance-enhancing peptides. On Sunday, Irvine volunteered information that players were also being given TV-500, a supplement traditionally used in horse racing to build muscle on thoroughbreds.

DAMIAN IRVINE: I'm going to get into detail. I said I shouldn't have made them at the time, and I said that. I put my hand up. When I say under duress, everyone's been under a lot of duress...

CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: The man accused of supplying the Sharks with horse drugs is sports scientist and biochemist Steve Dank. He's at the centre of the current ASADA investigation into at least five NRL and AFL teams suspected of using Dank to administer performance-enhancing peptides and prohibited substances.

STEVE MASCORD, RUGBY LEAGUE WEEK: Cronulla are really a shambles at the moment and they are leaderless. Their players showed up to recovery session on Monday and there was no doctor or no physio to look at their injuries.

CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: ASADA is also investigating Manly Rugby League Club, where three players are believed to have used performance-enhancing peptides. Manly coach Geoff Toovey is maintaining his club has done nothing wrong.

GEOFF TOOVEY, COACH, MANLY FOOTBALL CLUB: We've got no problems with our procedures at the club, and quite confident with things that happen within the club that time.

CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: ASADA is focussing in on Manly's secretive supplements regime from 2006 to 2010 - run by Dank. He discussed that regime in an exclusive interview with 7.30 last.

STEVE DANK, BIOCHEMIST (11 February 2013): We used a lot of supplements, to be honest, which was no difference to a lot of other clubs in terms of protein powders and vitamins and amino acids. We'd use a little bit of calf's blood there during the time, but again that was no different to what else was around and appropriate in the world of sport at the time...

CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: So nothing was, nothing fell over the line or over the edge?

STEVE DANK: No.

CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: No prohibitive substances were administered?

STEVE DANK: No. No.

CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: Dank wasn't working alone at Manly. He had an assistant, known only by the nickname "the Gazelle". He also assisted Dank at two other football club - the NRL's Cronulla and the AFL's Essendon - where he provided a wide variety of peptides to players. The Gazelle is this man, Darren Hidder, the owner of Advanced Sports Nutrition, or ASN. It specialises in manufacturing peptides and supplements for weightlifters and body builders. Hidder has told 7.30 he sold a variety of ASN supplements including Humanifort and the peptide and protein blends Extreme Blast and The Mix to Manly and Cronulla players out of the boot of his car at the club's car parks. Hidder sold ASN supplements to Dank and his co-directors at the Medical Rejuvenation Clinic - set up by Dank in 2009 with bodybuilder Adam Van Spanje and his business partner Zaheer Azmi. Van Spanje and co-director Azmi were closely connected to outlaw motorcycle groups the Rebels and the Comancheros. Azmi is also believed to have worked at one stage for a Kings Cross night club part-owned by alleged underworld figure John Ibrahim. The Medical Rejuvenation Clinic sells a wide variety of supplements, including the peptides at the centre of the current investigation into performance-enhancing drugs in football. The clinic also sells supplements prohibited for use by elite athletes. It's Dank's dual role consulting to football teams, while at the same time running a private peptide clinic selling prohibited substances that has set alarm bells rings with ASADA.

(to Richard Ings) Do you believe there is a link between those companies and the football codes?

RICHARD INGS, FORMER CHIEF EXECUTIVE, ASADA: Where you have an athlete support person in general, who has a business which is involved in the distribution of substances which are banned by sport, this will raise alarm bells for those in anti-doping circles to just be absolutely sure that those products have not found their way into any level of sport.

CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: Dank has told 7.30 that he and his co-directors at the Medical Rejuvenation Clinic have been interviewed and cleared by the Australian Crime Commission. Speaking to 7.30 today on the phone, Dank's assistant Darren Hidder said he was also interviewed and cleared by the Australian Crime Commission last year. He also told 7.30 he has a client list of around 20 players from NRL teams Manly, the Sharks and the Cowboys, and that they independently buy non-prohibited substances from him. Steve Dank would certainly argue and has put to 7.30, as do many sports scientists and people in the football and sporting community, that a peptide simply a supplement, it is not a performance enhancing substance. What's your response?

RICHARD INGS: We wouldn't be here today talking about these issues and we wouldn't have the purge of the senior management of the Cronulla Sharks if we were talking about regular non-banned nutritional vitamin supplements. The very first thing that ASADA will work through is to ascertain if the substance in question is banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency - and we are talking about seriously banned performance-enhancing substances.

CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: A crucial part of the problem is the great deal of confusion surrounding what is and isn't banned. Today the anti-doping authority finally responded to 7.30's repeated requests for the exact dates the peptides currently in question were specifically listed as banned on their register. This document reveals that the peptide Dank used on players at Cronulla, CJC-1295, was specifically list as prohibited in September 2011, three months after Dank left the Sharks. And the peptide Dank used at Essendon in 2012, AOD-9604, is still not specifically listed by ASADA as prohibited.

ANDREW DEMETRIOU, CEO, AFL: ASADA will be very thorough and diligent. These things don't happen quickly, there's lots of people that have to be interviewed, there's lots of things that have to be checked, and our expectation will be that this will go on for months.

CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: Late today, ASADA told rugby league chiefs they have ten additional investigators, ready to delve even deeper if the clubs do their part and make the players available for questioning.
 
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Obviously this line could be the most disturbing:
Hidder has told 7.30 he sold a variety of ASN supplements including Humanifort and the peptide and protein blends Extreme Blast and The Mix to Manly and Cronulla players out of the boot of his car at the club's car parks
 

Vin Fizz

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Farrrggg. Just when I thought the focus would shift to another club. I wonder wether this is the news Newms was eluding to.
 

Surely

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Seems to me that unless the players admit taking a banned substance then asada have to trust the word of a squealer trying to save his own arse.

Somebody in that position is going to tell them what they want to hear to save their bacon.
 

Surely

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Obviously this line could be the most disturbing:
Hidder has told 7.30 he sold a variety of ASN supplements including Humanifort and the peptide and protein blends Extreme Blast and The Mix to Manly and Cronulla players out of the boot of his car at the club's car parks

And the cowboys
 

webShark

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I have trouble imagining 20 odd players lined up behind a car in a car park buying the shit.

The more I hear the less trouble I have believing it. Will the fans turn on the players if they have lied? Paul Kent on NRL 360 said Sharp said things will get worse before they get better. What does he know? Makes me wonder why he was not stood down too as him and Flanno are close to say the least. All I can say, is in all my times I have parked in the car park nobody offered me anything. And I need them.

Good to see John Ibrahim get a mention. Wasnt he at the Roosters season launch? Oh, i forgot the Roosters are untouchable.
 
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The more I hear the less trouble I have believing it. Will the fans turn on the players if they have lied? Paul Kent on NRL 360 said Sharp said things will get worse before they get better. What does he know? Makes me wonder why he was not stood down too as him and Flanno are close to say the least. All I can say, is in all my times I have parked in the car park nobody offered me anything. And I need them.

Good to see John Ibrahim get a mention. Wasnt he at the Roosters season launch? Oh, i forgot the Roosters are untouchable.

I didn't mean I think we are sweet, far from it. Just in terms of buying this stuff outside the club set up, I find it hard to image that part would be more than a few.

Anyway, we seem farked!

Right now I'd be happy with name and shame and let's get on with rebuilding as best we can.
 

Quigs

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If this is true, the bit about buying stuff from the boot of a car then lets not stick our heads in the sand. If this allegation is true then I reckon there would be others buying the wrong items from other "meetings" and locations.

Okay the big "IF". We have been told from the early days that the mob has evidence including phone taps etc going back a long time. I'd hazzard to say that they might have been following the bloke that is alleged to of been selling it and have a lot of his phone convos to who ever on record.

Time will tell. I also think it might get nasty after seeing that part in the article.

"They put the boot in"
 

Special K

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The car stuff sounds worse then it probably was. Half my mates sell stuff the stuff you get from asn etc from their car, over facebook as they import it in at a heaps cheaper rate. Nothing illegal and the same stuff you get over the counter just cheaper.
 

Quigs

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K if they were buying the wrong stuff on a regular timeframe from the same spot and being watched ......... well.
 

newman

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If this is true, the bit about buying stuff from the boot of a car then lets not stick our heads in the sand. If this allegation is true then I reckon there would be others buying the wrong items from other "meetings" and locations.

Okay the big "IF". We have been told from the early days that the mob has evidence including phone taps etc going back a long time. I'd hazzard to say that they might have been following the bloke that is alleged to of been selling it and have a lot of his phone convos to who ever on record.

Time will tell. I also think it might get nasty after seeing that part in the article.

"They put the boot in"

To of?

Damo implied yesterday in the presser what I have been shitting myself about all along; ASADA have evidence against us and a lot of it. It just can't be made public. Yet. That's why the board panicked, and that's why Noakes and Flano et al were sacked.


You need to put 2 and 2 together. Would the (up to this point extremely competent) board tear the club apart without a very, very good reason? What could possibly be the motivation behind one of the greatest servants of this club and most passionate supporters to simply give up?
 
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