Match Discussion: Round 2 vs Parramatta @ CommBank Stadium, Parramatta / Burramattagal

[Tigerm]

I think many are reading far too much about our chances this season, after one game.

Like all of us, I was disappointed, but we did have half our spine missing and we have 6 quality new players in the side, who had never played together, we need to give them a few games to click.

I still think we will revenge last season's last game.

 

[Nutz]

@Tiger05
Hey mate, I hope I didn't come across sounding like a know it all. It's been so tough up here for me and my hip surgeon just told me via telehealth appointment that the mri has revealed I have torn the inside of my hip joint which was probably was caused by traction of the pelvis in January's surgery. Bloody agony I tell you. Then trying to cope with potential flooding etc from cyclone.
Now I'm off subject so sorry all.
I do understand your points and one could argue we are both right and how long is a piece of string?
Go the Tigers.

 

[Tiger05]

@Tiger05
Hey mate, I hope I didn't come across sounding like a know it all.

I didn't notice. I know I know it all.

 

[Tiger05]

I think many are reading far too much about our chances this season, after one game.

Like all of us, I was disappointed, but we did have half our spine missing and we have 6 quality new players in the side, who had never played together, we need to give them a few games to click.

I still think we will revenge last season's last game.

We have a quality squad. If we get Taylan May and he is fit and ready to go (more than one if here) there are very few weaknesses in our team.

It's just Benji is a risk since he hasn't shown any ability to get this team playing good footy for any period of time.

It's a long season though and we've been through one game.

 

[Tiger05]

D is priority in most contact sports.

The problem is that I'm not stating you don't play defense. I'm stating without being able to attack and attack well we are going nowhere.

 

[Nutz]

We have a quality squad. If we get Taylan May and he is fit and ready to go (more than one if here) there are very few weaknesses in our team.

It's just Benji is a risk since he hasn't shown any ability to get this team playing good footy for any period of time.

It's a long season though and we've been through one game.

I think Benji will be a great coach but he has a lot to learn and we are entitled to be impatient.
05 seems an eternity ago for us faithful die-hards.

 

[Nutz]

The problem is that I'm not stating you don't play defense. I'm stating without being able to attack and attack well we are going nowhere.

The saying that goes...the more attack you do the less defending you do, rings true to what you say...but I stand firm in saying we scored plenty of times over the years but can't maintain a disciplined D till the 80min. Top sides stay in the fight.
I'd be happy to win every game by 6-12 pts rather 70-20. 20 pts should get you home in a lot of games.
My head hurts, should say hip hurts so I'm going to do some stats myself for the Parra game, should only take 4 days

 

[Tiger Ted]

I think our history shows the exact opposite is the truth. We've won once and that was when our attack came and after that our defense came together.

We also kept the opposition to 10 points and still lost.

We need to score points. If we can't get out attack firing we will have a tough season.

Our attack is the least of our worries.Api & JL complement each other & will create plenty of opportunities when we have the ball.Conversely our defense has been atrocious for yrs & the knights game emphasised that nothing has changed when we don’t have the ball.They need to rectify the tackling ineptitude swiftly or it won’t just be the coach who exits the club this season.

 

[WA Tiger]

Yeah, I’ve read a bit more about it and I may have been a bit hasty.

Corrie wouldn’t adjourn it and the police could not offer any evidence.

The prosecutor was very experienced.

Taylan got his costs of ADVO proceedings because they breached him without cause. They simply didn’t know the terms had changed.

They made a mess of that part of it anyways.

But not a good result for the specialist domestic violence cops. They work hard.

I think his second chance is coming and it’s now on that he will be a Tiger.

And on the cusp of finals, I said I’d burn my memberships if that eventuated and I’m kind of stuck now.

So hopefully we don’t sign him.

But otherwise in a protest on behalf of dv victims I’ll have to set my 2025 Tigers membership alight.

Thank you for your insights and shining a light on it for us.

I wouldn’t worry too much. For a portion of the force DV is ho hum .. the number of cases that I see where women are disregarded indicates it’s a fair proportion ..as well as the judiciary…this attitude is a scourge on justice for women, and prevalent throughout the justice system in favour of the male. Always has been

 

[Vic Mackey]

I apologise to the West Tigers fans who probably want me to piss off and i understand that.

One last point in respect to the above issues raised by Silverdale.

The Cops are in the exact same position with the charge of Breach AVO. They still need a victim to come to court and provide sworn testimony.

The alleged breach could have involved a multitude of things, contacting her, driving past her house, going to her work who knows but the charge would have been preferred based on a statement most likely provided by the victim in this matter.

Innocence and not being in a position to provide evidence in support of criminal charges is two different things altogether.

I actually enjoy having opposition fans coming in and giving their thoughts (as long its not trolling), its why I prefer this forum to the official tigers one

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I actually enjoy having opposition fans coming in and giving their thoughts (as long its not trolling), its why I prefer this forum to the official tigers one

Yeah, I’ve known killer for, maybe a couple of decades plus on line and he’s a ‘ken awesome human being.

I’ve tried to recruit him for WT fanship last couple of years but strangely, he won’t budge.

He doesn’t know what he’s missing!

He’s always welcome and anyone else from anywhere who wants to contribute.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I wouldn’t worry too much. For a portion of the force DV is ho hum .. the number of cases that I see where women are disregarded indicates it’s a fair proportion ..as well as the judiciary…this attitude is a scourge on justice for women, and prevalent throughout the justice system in favour of the male. Always has been

I don’t know if it’s purposely gendered but we know the DV stats say, I think it’s about 95% females needing protection.

Anyway, we see other matters getting adjourned all the time when victims fail to show. The court has its powers though and His Honour has spoken.

I don’t know if the prosecution can appeal that decision. Probably not and Sgt Pullen who appeared for Police, I’ve heard he is one the states top police prosecutors and not a Penrith local.

No one can say anything libellous, we have a legal process.

But I don’t want him at our club.

 

[WA Tiger]

I don’t know if it’s purposely gendered but we know the DV stats say, I think it’s about 95% females needing protection.

Anyway, we see other matters getting adjourned all the time when victims fail to show. The court has its powers though and His Honour has spoken.

I don’t know if the prosecution can appeal that decision. Probably not and Sgt Pullen who appeared for Police, I’ve heard he is one the states top police prosecutors and not a Penrith local.

No one can say anything libellous, we have a legal process.

But I don’t want him at our club.

Your more up with the play with adjournments but for me it’s more about if women are drunk are wearing short skirts, accompany a man to a place say outside the pub, or wherever sometimes with others, believing they are safe with that guy, don’t fight back due to being in a complete state of disbelieving shock then they are guilty … The guy he just has to wait for the not guilty verdict to come to him without having to prove anything. He just has to repeat “ it was consensual” and the judge believes him.. The new law that consensual means the women verbally gives consent is slow in coming .. its the next step that women are fighting for

 

[Wizardman]

Our attack is the least of our worries.Api & JL complement each other & will create plenty of opportunities when we have the ball.Conversely our defense has been atrocious for yrs & the knights game emphasised that nothing has changed when we don’t have the ball.They need to rectify the tackling ineptitude swiftly or it won’t just be the coach who exits the club this season.

The scoreboard and conditions flattered us in that game. Dry conditions, we get pumped.

 

[WA Tiger]

Your more up with the play with adjournments but for me it’s more about if women are drunk are wearing short skirts, accompany a man to a place say outside the pub, or wherever sometimes with others, believing they are safe with that guy, don’t fight back due to being in a complete state of disbelieving shock then they are guilty … The guy he just has to wait for the not guilty verdict to come to him without having to prove anything. He just has to repeat “ it was consensual” and the judge believes him.. The new law that consensual means the women verbally gives consent is slow in coming .. its the next step that women are fighting for

This is prob off track a bit from Mays case… But really it’s hard to expect justice/protection for women when there is such a bias against women from so many men throughout society who view women as as the lesser gender, that is passed on and encouraged from examples set, weather subtle or not so subtle. And these vocations that are supposed to protect women are sprinkled with men that have the very tendencies they are supposed to protect the women from ..now that is farked

 

[Pezz70]

I apologise to the West Tigers fans who probably want me to piss off and i understand that.

One last point in respect to the above issues raised by Silverdale.

The Cops are in the exact same position with the charge of Breach AVO. They still need a victim to come to court and provide sworn testimony.

The alleged breach could have involved a multitude of things, contacting her, driving past her house, going to her work who knows but the charge would have been preferred based on a statement most likely provided by the victim in this matter.

Innocence and not being in a position to provide evidence in support of criminal charges is two different things altogether.

She contacted him and they went shopping together a couple of days after the matter had been listed for an application to vary, but had not yet been adjudicated on according to the newspaper reports.

 

[Pezz70]

The scoreboard and conditions flattered us in that game. Dry conditions, we get pumped.

I don’t believe we would have been pumped, knights blew those tries and would’ve blown them regardless of the weather, a couple of terrible passes from Best who was under pressure from defence. 50odd missed tackles is shithouse I’ll grant you that.
The sides aren’t up yet but if Parra play Volkman our big men need to run at him all day wherever he is on the park, he is not ready for NRL yet , he was out of his depth in the trials and was left wanting last week, play after play needs to go straight at him (he’ll probably play like Jayden Sullivan against us ). There centres are a cut above our boys in normal circumstances so that’s an area we’ll have to watch I wouldn’t be putting Douehi up against either of their boys

 

[Tigerm]

The scoreboard and conditions flattered us in that game. Dry conditions, we get pumped.

There is no way that can be predicted, both teams play to the conditions.
We lost by 2 pts, to a dubious last try by them, imo. It was R1.
We will get better.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Your more up with the play with adjournments but for me it’s more about if women are drunk are wearing short skirts, accompany a man to a place say outside the pub, or wherever sometimes with others, believing they are safe with that guy, don’t fight back due to being in a complete state of disbelieving shock then they are guilty … The guy he just has to wait for the not guilty verdict to come to him without having to prove anything. He just has to repeat “ it was consensual” and the judge believes him.. The new law that consensual means the women verbally gives consent is slow in coming .. its the next step that women are fighting for

If what you are arguing is that the system has shortcomings, yes I think we saw it in action yesterday.

We need better options for alleged victims but also safeguards for innocent guys ( and people generally) as police make too many errors. Probably their training etc, cultural issues etc.

not about this case specifically but say a like one:

Putting all the emotion away, she’s expected to give evidence against her breadwinner and she’s got little ones.

Stakes are high because if he loses, he can’t earn a big income, then she’s on the Centrelink as a carer. That is severe and not good. To make ends meet, she’s got some state support but now she’s also stressing about rent, food, clothes, medicines, car payments. It can be done, but bring poor in Australia is getting harder everyday. Less and less life choices and options.

So because the NRL steps in and says he can’t play, all the heavy lifting is done not just by him, but also by the poor mum and the kids.

It might be better to have a rule where they can play on condition they make mandatory payments to mum and kids.

And it might have the effect of being less frightening and life changing for alleged victims to come forth.

And in that way, support the judicial system, the police and DV allies as well.

As it is now, an alleged victim hides away, the guy puts up with a lot of stuff, but is ultimately exonerated without any forensic accountability.

So maybe the NRL can look more closely at the consequences. I appreciate no fault is well meaning, and some people should never play the game, but can we do better?

 

[Tigerm]

If what you are arguing is that the system has shortcomings, yes I think we saw it in action yesterday.

We need better options for alleged victims but also safeguards for innocent guys ( and people generally) as police make too many errors. Probably their training etc, cultural issues etc.

not about this case specifically but say a like one:

Putting all the emotion away, she’s expected to give evidence against her breadwinner and she’s got little ones.

Stakes are high because if he loses, he can’t earn a big income, then she’s on the Centrelink as a carer. That is severe and not good. To make ends meet, she’s got some state support but now she’s also stressing about rent, food, clothes, medicines, car payments. It can be done, but bring poor in Australia is getting harder everyday. Less and less life choices and options.

So because the NRL steps in and says he can’t play, all the heavy lifting is done not just by him, but also by the poor mum and the kids.

It might be better to have a rule where they can play on condition they make mandatory payments to mum and kids.

And it might have the effect of being less frightening and life changing for alleged victims to come forth.

And in that way, support the judicial system, the police and DV allies as well.

As it is now, an alleged victim hides away, the guy puts up with a lot of stuff, but is ultimately exonerated without any forensic accountability.

So maybe the NRL can look more closely at the consequences. I appreciate no fault is well meaning, and some people should never play the game, but can we do better?

Of course, he may have been innocent, like he claimed?